Setting aside much-deserved flak about the Theta II and the immobilizer, there is little-to-no argument that Hyundai has been consistently pumping out the best and most innovative designs in the large auto manufacturer space.
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I'm honestly curious why you think that. Can you please elaborate. I'm really not trying to be argumentative here.
As far as I can see, they have just copied others, with some small tweaks. The aesthetic ones are unreasonably offensive to me, but the technical ones don't seem to be terribly innovative, or huge leaps, and seem to bite them in the ass, a lot.
I'd argue the Mazda supercharged 2 stroke with low load compression self ignition) or, I can't believe I'm saying this, Nissan variable compression ratio engine of the world, who are experimenting with alterative techs, even for ICE, are leaps an bounds above Hyundai.
I typed something up but it looks like it didn't post. I think we're saying two different things.
I'm talking specifically about the design language that you don't like. The EV9 and the new Sante Fe, the Santa Cruz, the hatch IONIQ5 and even the divisive IONIQ6. I love those designs. They feel unique and bold. I would put them among some of my favorite designs of major, non-exotic manufacturers. Clearly just personal opinion but I feel like they've put out hit after hit on design, compared to whatever the hell BMW is doing as an example.
I can't really say anything about their engine design or internal components. I'm ignorant there. I'm saying I find myself intrigued by Hyundai in spite of their terrible track record because of the design language.
Honestly the N Vision 74 is one of my favorite looking cars of the last decade. Bring on the 80s retrofuturism please!
This is exactly the car I've been wanting. It captures the "dream" for me.
Sorry, I don’t personally see aesthetic choices as “innovation” in cars. What makes the car do what a car should is where innovation matters to me. Looks are just the packaging, and theirs is horrible. Personally, I find Kia/Hyundai style absolutely offensively hideous.
Edit: the more I think about it, based on observation, I don’t think their body styling is even terribly innovative or better than the more established brands. I would bet that if you put a bunch of cars into a wind tunnel, Hyundai Kia wouldn’t be near the top. They still haven’t figured a lot of things out with airflow and how to quiet it down.
Oh, and I’m pretty sure they stole their current design trend straight frim 1985. I swear I’ve seen all their new cars in back to the future. With an appearance from the Audi in I, Robot with the wanna be iris wheel covers for fender trim on that one Kia suv.
These are all weak takes imo.
The designer of much of Hyundai’s current lineup is Luc Donckerwolke, who is famous for his Lamborghini (Diablo, Gallardo and Murcielago) and Audi designs. You may not like them but they’re not “design by committee” derivatives.
Almost no manufactures are heavily developing their ICE engines anymore, nor do all even produce their own engines (Hyundai/Kia do).
Much of the “airflow” “issues” you’re talking about are simply price point. The two most impactful areas for sound insulation on cars are undercarriage and wheel wells and door/window frames and seals. For the former, nothing about it is high-tech. Even luxury makes user sound-absorbing materials including plastic deflectors, fabrics, and lightweight low-density filler materials behind panels such as polystyrene. How much sound proofing you get is a reflection of Hyundai’s entry level lineup. You’re not going to get Mercedes-level sound insulation at half the price just because the design looks high-end. It’s not until you’re near the top of luxury car lineups or Rolls/Bentley territory that this area becomes innovative.
P.S. Hyundai/Kia also hold patents for 2-stroke supercharged engine designs as well as variable compression designs.
Yeah, Hyundai (and Kia) went from making copy cats and uninspired cars, to pushing new trends and clean, cohesive design.
I'm not totally thrilled with the bumper height taillights of the Sante Fe, but otherwise its a nice design.
This completely ignores any drivetrain failures that are prevalent in their entire line up.
Also just sweeps the glaring theft issues under the rug
As an owner of a Kia with the exploding engine option I'll pass.
As a former Hyundai and Kia tech, exploding was incredibly rare. Usually they just seized because of oil starved crank bearings. I only ever heard of one that actually exploded with flames, and thats because the owner wasn't taking care of it and driving with a leaking fuel line.
Perhaps exploding was the wrong term but that doesn't excuse them from having two engine families with issues and not supporting the owners. I had fight to get the engine replaced.
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