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Judge rules White House pressured social networks to “suppress free speech” (arstechnica.com)

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[–] MisterBigFart 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Worth reading the article to understand that a conservative judge and conservative AGs accused the Biden admin of trying to silence conservatives spreading Covid-19 falsehoods on social platforms and framing it like they weren’t just trying to keep people from drinking bleach. Very misleading headline.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm shocked I tell you! Republicans trying to justify lies and misleading propaganda. Just shocked. \s

[+] zblofu -10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Yes, but this could easily go the other way. A far right executive could use its power to pressure these companies to remove what it considers misinformation.

This is clearly a violation of the first amendment as misinformation, disinformation and malinformation are by definition protected forms of speech.

I think I agree with the judge here in that the government should not be pressuring social media to censor legally protected speech. It is no matter if that speech is true or untrue, as long as it is protected speech the government should not have the power to censor speech it does not agree with.

One can easily imagine a right wing executive pressuring social media to remove speech it seams false or malevolent. The things the right view as misinformation, malinformation or disinformation would be expansive I am sure, and would no doubt target women's health, trans liberation or any attempt by the working class to organize. The government should not have this power to censor speech that is covered by the first amendment.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

False statements of facts are not always protected by the first amendment

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Slippery slope is no way to govern.

[–] zblofu -1 points 1 year ago

From my perspective this is not a slippery slope argument as the violation of our rights are already taking place. Combined government and corporate power are already censoring legal speech. It is just more difficult to oppose because I mostly disagree with and find odious the speech that is being censored.

I think that not opposing this government censorship is a mistake and not just because of the principle.

While I do think the principle of freedom of speech, press, assembly etc are important principles, it is also true that censorship will tend to favor the right in their political aims more than it will help the left. The right has corporate and institutional power at their disposal and it is used to defend the status quo. It is the left that needs freedom of speech to disseminate their ideas. The right can simply rely on the existing power structures to maintain their ideological hegemony. It is the left must agitate and convince others that there are better ways of doing things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

False statements of facts are not always protected by the first amendment

[+] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] zblofu -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How so? The government/corporate power does not have the power or right to dictate truth.

While there are specific laws against fraud and false advertising there is no law that what is published in the public square must be true.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Telling people lies when it comes to health isn't protected by the first amendment. People think the first amendment is this vast catch all and you can just say anything but it's really not. You really can't just say anything you want. A example of speech that's not protected is fraud, so if I make a website or blog that looks legit and it says drink bleach for magic powers that wouldn't be covered under free speech, or telling someone to kill themselves isn't protected either. The first amendment isn't really that broad when you get into the nitty gritty

[–] zblofu -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I absolutely agree that making false medical claims in advertising is not protected speech. Fraud and threats are already criminal and should treated as such, but the types of speech that are being censored are not primarily illegal forms of speech. The types of speech that are being censored are not limited to cases of fraud or threats, they are whatever types of speech the current executive branch deems harmful. I think that is dangerous, even if I also personally agree that those particular types of legal speech are indeed harmful.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean according to the article the only stuff they asked to be taken off was false covid stuff... So I don't think that falls under first amendment rights. It was stuff like the covid vaccine doesn't work and it will give you AIDS, kinda like yelling fire when there is no fire isn't protected

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I think there is a case to be made that false statements in the public made with the explicit of driving public or political discourse or to drive verifiably unproven sentiments should be considered fraudulent or anti-democratic, or at the very least that the burden falls on the media to brand the information as verifiably misleading.

Allowing bad faith actors to exist seems to be a major issue strictly because their information is spread without context.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems to me like the whole political campaign aimed at making people believe elections can't be trusted should fall under "criminal conspiracies".

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago

Useless political theater.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago

Useless political theater.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago

Useless political theater.