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[–] fkn 2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Have you even read the source you linked? I am getting heavy, heavy bad faith argumentation from you. Either you truly don't understand what is being said here or you are arguing in bad faith.

[–] fisk 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Yeah, I know you're getting bad faith vibes, I get it. No. Fellow athiest, overly educated, social scientist and critical theorist. I've read all of my sources - but I'll admit that one of them (whatever Christian site I liked to) was a quick skim to confirm that yes, this was a long discussion about the different factions and their disagreements, and that was exactly the point I was looking to make.

The original post - the image itself - demonstrates a genuine lack of understanding of the history and philosophy of science. I've cited Fleck elsewhere in the comments. It's just a meme community, I can let that slide.

The comments that seem to be suggesting that disagreement among members of a religion is sufficient to dismiss their ideas is, however, more worrying. Disagreements and their resolutions (or lack thereof) are key features of scientific discovery - we need diverse perspectives, we need people who disagree, we need people who argue their positions in compelling and challenging ways. To call out those disagreements as epistemic flaws in contrast to science dismisses the incredible importance of disagreement and controversy in not just science but in all areas of human and social life.

As I've said elsewhere in the comments - both science and religion are messy, problematic, lack internal consistency, and have caused great human and environmental harms. That doesn't mean science isn't useful, and science isn't diminished by our frank discussion of it.

edit: reviewer @fkn has requested a revision of paragraph two, and the author acknowledges that all of the above was written in haste (and surrounded by loud children)

*edit 2: apologies, I was replying from my inbox, didn't get the context. Yes, I've read Epistemic Cultures on many, many occasions, and probably have suggested others read it as many times.

[–] fkn 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bad faith it is. Good to know.

[–] fisk 1 points 1 year ago

No, I'm just slow. An academic with small kids.

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