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Are we defederating from Threads? (lemmy.ca)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I've seen that some instances have already done it preemptively.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

What are the objectives of defederating?

To protect our data? They can create stealth instances and get the same data. I think we have to accept and be mindful that the things we share on the fediverse can be exploited by people we don't like.

To exclude their users? I understand they have partnered with Namecheap to offer users customized instances with their own domain. Is it even a technical possibility to exclude all their users' instances?

To make a statement? Okay, but then we need to do more than just defederate.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This article has been circulating around the fediverse and I think it greatly illustrates why it's so important to defederate from large corporations before they can get a foothold. It's about so much more than just them getting our data.

https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In 2013, Google realised that most XMPP interactions were between Google Talk users anyway.

Isn't this what actually killed XMPP? XMPP still works, is still viable. But everyone stopped using it. That's got more to do with Facebook than Google, imho.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. What they specifically did though was extend the protocol so that anyone who wasn't using their version of XMPP via Google Talk would be incompatible or seem "broken" when it really wasn't. It's just that they were using non-standard features, both incentivizing people to just switch to Google Talk and for development on the core protocol to slow down.

I bet money Threads is going to do the same thing. They'll introduce Threads only features that don't work with all the standard Activitypub implementations, causing frustration with Thread users and putting pressure on people to just jump ship to Threads from standard Activitypub implementations.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Okay, but again... so? That's just defederation. If that's the worst they can do to us.... So? That's also your proposed solution, so what!

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