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You've added that qualifier not me, depends how you define success doesn't it. My point was that things can and do change.
Heh, you know, I knew you were going to come back with this so I already have my answer to it.
Yes 66bn certainly does sound like a lot of money to waste, over a period of 8 years and between 28 countries.
Makes me wonder why you are not so bothered about the 200bn that this country has spent on this Brexit project, all on it's own in the same time frame.
Oh right... so now you're pointing to the corruption that you can't prove exists?
Let me ask you this, what do you make of the blatant clear corruption in this country? specifically all of the pork barrel money related to Brexit like the Tees port scandal for example?
I'd like to think you'll be just as scathing, but somehow it seems like any cost associated with Brexit is worth it for some reason, even though you can't even tell me specifically what that reason is, much less prove it's a valid one. I wish I could say this was the first conversation I've had with somebody with Brexititus related Brexit blindness but when you get down to it, you're all remarkably similar.
Lol, you are like most remain voters I encounter, you like the idea of the EU, but don't actually know anything about it. Of the 3 current federations, which one would you like the EU to become? Russia? China? USA?
Ok. Let's do some simple maths re wasted money
66b wasted plus 66b opportunity cost plus 66b to redo the work that was meant to have been done. That's 198b... And that assumes biodiversity hasn't got worse, which it has, so it will cost more. Why do you defend failure?
And no, the UK hasn't spent 200b on brexit. You are demonstrating stunning levels of economic illiteracy now.
When I present you evidence of EU incompetence and corruption, you claim this as evidence of competence and purity. 😂
How about UVL and her disappearing texts?
https://www.politico.eu/article/new-york-times-sue-european-union-ursula-von-der-leyen-pfizer-texts/
And no, I won't defend yet another power structure, I'm not a nationalist, I think all politicians have the opportunity to be corrupt, I don't think that them being in Westminster or Brussels makes a blind bit of difference. You just prefer corruption with a nice accent and better coffee 😂.
Yet again I go to read your link to see what you are talking about and yet again it's not what you say.
Okay so the NYT wants to read the texts, how does that show evidence of 'corruption'?
I mean, maybe we will see them and something will be uncovered, but as of right now you have nothing. If she's corrupt then I hope they throw the book at her. You've not provided any evidence for your claim though. Again.
She has a habit of doing deals over texts that mysteriously disappear
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/corruption-scandal-hangs-over-eu-president-ursula-von-der-leyen-33871
Oh yeah, Turkish state media site that doesn't even load and talks about Breitbart's opinion, cracking source. Yeah, that I won't accept, give me a reputable source.
You are literally googling for any old shit to support your nonsensical position.
Find your own sources
https://www.politico.eu/article/the-scandal-hanging-over-ursula-von-der-leyen/
And kindly fuck off now, you're boring
Firstly, no need for insults.
I'm debating you in good faith, and I am smashing you to bits quite frankly and it's not even difficult, it's easy. Respond with better arguments and stop lying to yourself and you may be less upset.
Secondly, again that story is not what you said it is. It's allegations and it's not even EU related it's from back when she was German defence minister.
Now I already told you, I don't agree with corruption, I'd throw the book at her if there's any truth to it and it were down to me.
Any institution over time will have examples of corruption, from the top right down to local councils and the church raffle. It's a very human problem that occurs everywhere. The important thing is how you deal with it, and as far as I can see the first case they dealt with it very well (arrests and prosecutions) and in the second case that's clearly something for the German government to do something about.
Then I look at the UK, these idiots you voted to give all the power too, day after day there are stories and evidence about corruption on absolutely incredible scale, literally billions stolen, 200 billion at least wasted on this pile of shit....
Lol, smashing. You haven't got a clue pal.
There you go again, defending failure
I didn't vote for those idiots, moron.
Of course 'I have a clue', as far as I'm concerned I've demolished you and you've got nothing. That's why you've resorted to insults.
You're defending Brexit (badly), the very definition of defending failure.
That's you that is
Well done, did you learn about that decades old internet trivia yesterday or something?
I've not claimed to have any specialist knowledge, I've just researched the things you said and found them incorrect.
I'm not going to continue this thread with you though because you won't accept simple facts backed up by reputable sources. You think everybody is wrong if it doesn't fit with your pre decided narrative and you'll lash out to defend your fragile ego. Maybe you should talk to somebody.
Morning guys, can we cool things off a little?
Debate is fine, but when it's getting dragged into personal insults, and cry-laugh emojis as punctuation like some facebook-aunt, is it really a functional debate any more?
It's only Tuesday!
You are right, I apologise for any insulting I did. I would prefer to debate civilly.
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