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[–] [email protected] 81 points 9 months ago (58 children)

This is kind of silly.

I'm definitely working class, like I couldn't stop working and coast the rest of my life on what I have saved now without really cutting everything to the bone.

However, I max out my 401k and iras every year. We also put enough money aside that our two kids will probably need to take out little to no money for their college educations. We are contemplating how many hundreds of thousands of dollars we can afford for a house renovation, and we can still take two comfortable vacations per year.

I'm very comfortable and know I am very lucky.

Which is why it's absurd to put me in the same category as the people who literally have cut everything to the bone and still worry about making ends meet at the end of the month. While we should still team up against the owning class, our financial situations are drastically different and shouldn't be treated as the same because that would do a huge disservice to their actual relative situation.

[–] gataloca 27 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Sure you can argue that your financial situation is a bit better, but the power dynamics between yourself and owners is still the same regardless if you make a lot or a little and more importantly, salaries change. When your job isn't considered competitive anymore you'll be in the same boat or if you get laid off or you get sick, etc.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Sure, which is why I think we should still team up. However, that doesn't change the fact that we are in such ridiculously different positions that it's nonsense to try and pretend these are "made up" just to keep people down. Like my tax rate is higher, and it should be. There are very obvious reason these have different terms, and "it's just conspiracy by the man to keep us down!" without a shred of evidence to back it up is just, well, mindless conspiracy shit.

[–] FraidyBear 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think what they are trying to get at is, it's important to instill in the younger generation that the big picture is that there are owners and there are workers. All the rest are just manufactured microcosms of the bigger picture that we can't even begin to tackle without understanding why these microcosms exist in the first place and dismantalling the structure that keeps them in place.

This helps them understand our current class structure for what it is, fake. This can help kids feel not so alone in the daily struggle, they have lots of allies! This may even drive this youngster to start an ethical charity or run for office to help enact change. This bigger picture is often whats missing when kids learn these things in school or life and why so so many kids grow up thinking they can make it big only to burn out young when they are struggling to just get by even though they played by the rules, here we are teaching to not blame yourself you did your best! It's not about dismissing the vast wealth differences we have as the working class so much as teaching that those differences are subject to change at the whim of the ownership class, teaching solidarity and empathy along the way. Imo it's a good teaching moment and it's the same one I got as a kid, I like to think I turned out okay if not a tad jaded a bit too young haha.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I absolutely agree. I just like to be honest with my kids and if I start feeding them stuff like "we're basically in the same position as that homeless guy and the whole idea that we're in different situations is just a conspiracy by the ultra wealthy to keep us down"... Well, they're bright kids and will realize that I'm full of shit soon enough.

Also I think teaching them that we're lucky to have what we have and to give (both monetarily and our time) helping out those less fortunate than us is going to do a whole lot more to create solidarity with the rest of the working class than feeding them be conspiracy theories.

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