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Almost like you make it unbearable for the poor to have children. The ones that tend to have more rather than less.
Korea and Japan finding out what happens when replacement levels drop off the graph
From what I understand Japan has some of the highest health outcomes in the world and has a very high standard of living.
I don't think South Korea is not far behind them either.
Doesn't Japan have a working culture that glorifies long working hours and dedication to work, leaving little to no time for socialising and relationships? or has that changed in the last few years?
I don't know. The Japanese people I have met seem pretty well adjusted to me.
I think my info might be outdated, it seems like they’ve been working on changing it. According to Wikipedia their average annual working hours is less then us.
I have friends in Japan. The value given does not accurately reflect actual hours worked. There is a culture of long unpaid overtime hours, after hours social gatherings and more. They are not the worst, and they are trying to improve it, but it is still pretty bad.
The thing isn't health outcomes, it's the significant societal and economic problems happening and on the horizon that is the worry.
What societal problems?
Here, read this.
What societal problems has the aging population has caused in Japan right now?
Did you read the article?
I don't get what your point is. Are you trying to argue that a rapidly ageing population will cause no problems?
It will not cause a major problem.
Certainly nothing can't be solved by importing immigrants.
Certainly not more problems than somehow forcing people to have more kids.
Read the article I posted. There are significant challenges beginning and more expected in several countries, Japan, Korea, and more, due to a rapidly aging population.
But if you wish to be contrarian and insist everything will be fine, whatever. I don't really care.
I guess you are right. They should start forcefully impregnating women or something.
The fuck are you on about?
Well we need to prevent an aging population right? There are only two ways to do that. Either we start killing old people or we forcefully impregnate women and pop out babies faster than the death and emigration rate.
An aging population is a huge problem right? We can't let it happen right? Look at the disaster that's happening in Japan right now right? They are having a huge problem with an aging population right?
Right?
I have no idea what the fuck you are on about, but you are arguing with yourself.
Is an aging population a major problem or not? If so should we do something about it or not?
You raised the alarm and in fact said we are going to suffer the same fate that has befallen Japan if we don't do something. Presumably Japan is suffering due to an aging population right?
Yes, it is a fact that it is already causing problems, and likely will become major. Read the article.
You added "if we don't do something". I just said what is happening in Japan is a worry. Never said we would be like that, never said there is anything to be done about it.
Ok great.
Now obviously we can't just let a major problem go unaddressed right? We have to do something about it right? We can't let our country turn into Japan right?
I made no such judgement or comment.
That's a lie. You made a judgment that said that an aging population is a massive problem and that it's hurting Japan and you used as an example of how much it's going to hurt us if we allow our population to age.
So clearly you think this is some dire and severe problem because you raised the alarm about it.
So now you want to say we should do nothing in the face of this massive problem? What's wrong with you?
Look dipshit, you can say whatever the hell you want but it won't change the fact that you are arguing against shit you made up.
Does a rapidly ageing population cause changes and problems? Yes, objectively. Does that mean we should force women to become pregnant to stop it? No, what's wrong with you?
How else will you solve this urgent and important problem?
I don't know. I never said anything about a solution, did I?
Why not? Why are you bleating about a problem without even having an opinion on a solution.
Is someone incapable of recognizing a problem without knowing how to solve it?
If they can't even form an opinion on a solution and if the problem only has one or two solutions then yes that person is incapable of recognising the problem.
Bollocks, you sound just like ilovethebomb. One is able to recognize a problem without knowing a solution for the problem. To say otherwise is disingenuous at best.
The problem is simple and there are only two possible solutions maybe three if you push it. This isn't some complex thing.
If it's so simple why don't you post your solution then?
There are only three solutions.
Then again I completely and utterly reject your insane alarmism over this issue. I don't think this is some massive problem that's going to destroy the country or GASP!!! make us like Japan. Imagine New Zealand being like Japan. Can anybody imagine something so horrible!!!
Honestly your alarmism is unhinged.
Man you really are a muppet aren't you?
Or encourage families to have kids through incentives? Or increase wages and lower the cost of child care so couples can afford it now? Or combat social norms that women are supposed to stay at home? There are lots of ideas that aren't "force women to have babies" and "kill all old people". I can only assume you are being intentionally obtuse, because I can't imagine you are so stupid to think that these are the only options.
You do realize it's not just me, but lots of countries and scientists around the world pointing to the problems that can arise from a rapidly aging population, right? Take Korea, for example. They have the worlds lowest birth rate, and this year it dropped even lower to 0.78 children per woman. By 2067, it is predicted that 46% of the population will be over 65. Can you really not grasp how this will have huge ramifications for a society? When the working population is drastically lower than it is now? How will this affect the economy? Who will look after all the retired people when they need care? And so on and so on. It's not a hard concept, despite you doing your damnedest to channel a moron.
What alarmism? I simply pointed out it will be a problem if it continues. I didn't shout "WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT NOW!" or anything, did I? I pointed out it is already starting to be a problem in other countries, which is true, and you started going on about forcing pregnancies and other stupid shit.
By the way, most countries where the birth rate is significantly below replacement level have started trying to combat this, usually with financial incentives for having children. Some, such as Korea, have spent billions on this. If it isn't a problem, why waste all that money?
Wait. I thought you said you were not capable of coming up with solutions.
Yea lots of scientists around the world are also claiming the covid vaccine is harmful.
Yea it will not have any major ramifications.
With increased automation and AI it will not effect the economy at all. If anything it will help because we are going to need less people to do the same work anyway.
Religion mostly. Also cultural norms to a lesser extent.
Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about, and I'm quite bored of discussing this with you.
Congratulations.
What is a health outcome? As in life expectancy? Or ?
I think it's life expectancy and recovery from diseases and the prevalance of chronic conditions such as heart disease, diabetes etc.