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Apple won't license Masimo's patents despite Apple Watch import ban | AppleInsider (appleinsider.com)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/apple_enthusiast

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Apple CEO Tim Cook told CNBC in a statement shared on live television that Apple has no intention to license Masimo's patents. While it seemed likely that was the case, the company hadn't said as much publicly until now.

"We're focused on appeal," Cook's statement said. "There's lots of reasons to buy the watch even without the blood oxygen sensor."

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (10 children)

I don’t really know any of the intricacies, can you elaborate on why they are not valid?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (9 children)

The short version is that a lot of patents were issued in the 90s and early 2000s for "inventions" that actually already existed "but on a computer!" After a lot of legal wrangling the standards got stricter and these never-should-have-been issued patents have been systematically invalidated, though it's a one-at-a-time process. I think Masimo originally claimed infringement of a dozen patents. From memory, it's now down to two patents that have not been entirely invalidated, and I think even those have already been carved down to remove most of the claims. So basically there are two half-patents left to litigate and Apple thinks they can finish those off as well.

[–] abhibeckert 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Sure, Masimo filed a bunch of invalid patents... but the two that held up seem pretty valid to me.

They're not "the same thing but on a computer!". They are "the same thing but you don't have to stick a needle in someone, fill a vial with their blood, send the blood off to a laboratory, and wait for them to send you the results". Real time non-invasive chemical analysis of blood is a genuine invention and Masimo has been leading the world in that for a long time.

I hate patents. I think the world would be a better place without them... but like it or not they exist. And Apple owns a lot of them... so I'm not going to be sympathetic in the slightest when they find themselves on the wrong end of a patent lawsuit.

[–] NrdyN8 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I wish to play devil’s advocate for patents. But I first would like to note we need to set aside lawyers, corrupt judges, and anything else surrounding patents.

Patents were made to help the little guy out. They provide a way for someone to come up with a unique idea and protect it from larger entities that could pay to replicate manufacturing cheaply and destroy the little guy before he can make his first sale. Patents provide indisputable proof that someone had the idea first and has the right to make a living off their idea. Ergo, the American dream.

Now to jump back to reality; this entire, wonderful, system that was built to protect the American dream has been ruined by the same thing that ruins society and has pushed all of us into a late-stage capitalistic hellscape… greed.

I don’t wish to accuse Masimo or Apple of being greedy. That is a slippery slope I don’t want to visit right now. But patents are a good idea that have been taken and manipulated to protect a few pocket books.

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