Exploding-heads.com is another instance on Lemmy where alt-right MAGA types tend to reside. Some people on this server want us to defederate from them immediately, some people want to save defederation as a last resort. They have 104 active users (more stats below).
It seems that exploding-heads has also experienced a recent botswarm invasion. This is obviously another point in favor of defederating them, assuming you are worried about botswarms, which is currently being discussed here.
My advice to you all is please try to discuss this in a civil manner, we need not allow them to create divisive conflict inside our communities. No matter how the vote turns out, you're not going to be able to defederate from your fellow sh.itheads so be nice.
I've linked many of the previous discussions below so people who are out of the loop can get a general sense of the situation.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/216888 https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714 https://sh.itjust.works/post/281126 https://sh.itjust.works/post/410325
Lemmy.world just recently defederated them.
https://lemmy.world/post/747912
https://lemmy.world/post/577526
Although this could be considered a point in favor of defederation, it actually means even if we vote to remain federated, people have a great alternative in lemmy.world where they can still participate in our communities and simultaneously be protected from exploding-heads.
Ensuring diversity of servers is beneficial to the platform as a whole, but it is also not our responsibility to bear that burden.
TLDR, just wrap up any last points in this thread before we open the vote tomorrow. Please be civil.
EDIT: To clarify, this isn't the official vote, this is the final discussion. The vote thread will be posted tomorrow and you will only be allowed to make a single comment saying Aye or Nay.
EDIT2: Vote thread is up, this thread is now locked. Very lively discussion thread sh.itheads. Please try to be more respectful next time.
There is quite a lot in that thread that I find distasteful and wouldn't personally engage with. But I don't see anything that is a "Nazi bar" as you describe it. I see a lot of unfunny shitposts, some political bait of questionably authenticity, and some bad faith discussion of transgender issues that other users attempted to moderate. I don't see doxxing, inciting to violence, NSFL material, CP, or anything else heinous enough to warrant defederation. Just a lot of Fox News talking points which, like it or not, a large percentage of the US would agree with.
Then we disagree on what is heinous, and I suppose that's how it's going to be. I think they are well past the line for "people I want to platform on social media", which is what federation ultimately is. It is not a legal action or something.
From these replies and others you seem to be of the opinion that any conservative ideology is heinous - and for what it's worth many here seem to agree with you. Personally I feel that turning some communities into liberal-only safe spaces while isolating others into conservative echo chambers only radicalizes both groups and makes constructive discourse increasingly less likely. People with other beliefs exist, vote, pay taxes, write laws, etc - perhaps if we spent less time demonizing each other and more time understanding why people feel certain ways we'd all be better off. Lemmy may not be the ideal place for such conversation, but where is?
I completely agree. This is why I vote not to defederate. I believe that demonization of the opposite group is propaganda. There are good and bad people in both groups. People have different views and it's a spectrum.
While I'm inclined to agree I have yet to see a working example. I haven't even heard of anyone successfully convincing even a moderate right-leaning person of a more progressive view online.
Because that never happens. No one has one conversation and thinks "Wow my entire world view is totally wrong, thanks for enlightening me!" It happens over a long time and many different discussions. There is no specific moment where everything changes with a post to catalog it. It'll happen internally to the person and so slowly if you look at their recent history it'll seem like they've always been that way.
And I haven't seen the inverse. Should all leftist instances be defederated?