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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (27 children)

The executives can be paid more. In a system where all firms are worker coops, it would be a much more compressed difference between the least paid and most paid worker in a firm than the absurd pay differences we see today.

A manger in a worker coop has the same decision-making rights as in any company. The difference is that they are democratically accountable to the workers instead of being accountable to the employer, an alien legal party. Essentially, workers hold all voting shares

[–] Devouring -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (26 children)

You said a bunch of nice things, but you ignored the core of the problem. If workers hold all voting shares, what happens when they're split on an issue? Who can tell them to STFU for the better of the company?

Another similar question: What if there's an issue that will lead to half of them getting fired? Like, say, a technological advancement? So if work can be optimized by 200% by adding computers, but then 50% of the people are useless then. Wouldn't the workers vote to stay employed/paid instead of saving the company that can be destroyed in a competitive market where better, faster companies can emerge if this company doesn't adopt the newer tech? Who will make that decision?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like I said, its like workers hold all the voting shares in the company, so these issues would resolved the same way that they are resolve in corporations owned by shareholders.

The rational action would be to adopt the new tech and instead of firing half of the workers, which is socially irrational due to the social costs of unemployment, dividing the remaining work among the existing workers. The extra time that each worker has could be used for producing something else

[–] Devouring -2 points 1 year ago

Like I said, its like workers hold all the voting shares in the company, so these issues would resolved the same way that they are resolve in corporations owned by shareholders.

You're ignoring a key point I'm trying to make: The workers have a conflict of interest, unlike shareholders. The workers want to minimize their work and maximize their gain, which is mutually exclusive in one company. While shareholders in the current system just want to maximize their gain (regardless of whether that's good or bad). So why would the worker strive to learn new things instead of keeping the status quo? Most people don't see the big picture and don't want to read a book to learn a new thing. How many people around you come from work and spend their evenings reading new things to stay up in their job? This is one problem.

Like I said before to another guy, if you keep dividing the extra without firing anyone, given a limited growth, eventually there won't be enough money to go around. Everyone will go bankrupt. How do you solve that problem too?

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