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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

I mean, they kind of left Gaza. They still send soldiers in there all the time, they still control most of its borders, it's water, electricity, trash, etc, and they cut those things off all the time. It's basically an open air prison.

Also, Israel has killed off all higher Hamas members before so that won't work. And Bibi supported Hamas to prevent a two state solution before so doubt he wants them united under one government. He just wants to do a genocide now, let's be honest.

As for possible solutions, there's too much emnity between Israel and Palestine, there probably needs to be a third party at this point, even though one caused the problem in the first place lol. Someone that's not the US or UK, since Israel is basically their puppet state and the UK caused the initial issues, and not one of the anti-Israel states like Iran. Or maybe it needs to be formed from both groups so that both points of view are represented? Idk. A solution is definitely the hardest part for sure.

[–] charliespider 1 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Gotta love how everyone calls Gaza an "open air prison" then go on to blame Israel, totally disregarding the fact that Gaza's southern border is with Egypt.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

That's because Egypt isn't the one who kicked them out of their homes and spread into more land, kickstarting the crisis in the first place.

They definitely should accept more than they have, but we can't blame Egypt for not wanting literally millions of refugees. No country would want that. Otherwise you end up like Palestine when the Israelis came in, or the Native Americans when British colonists come in.

[–] charliespider -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Great points, but that doesn't stop Egypt from allowing food, water, humanitarian aid, etc from being brought into Gaza, but people talk like Israel has 100% control over Gaza's borders.

Besides, if Gaza and the West Bank were officially the state of Palestine, Israel would have no obligation to allow free passage between Israel and Palestine so it would basically be the same as it is now, although I'm assuming that right now there is also a naval blockade.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Egypt is offering aid. Israel isn't happy with that, though.

Presumably, they'd finally have control over their own water, electricity, trash, etc. And international recognition would help them avoid Israel just taking over more land like they have in the past and are currently doing in the West Bank. But it's complicated. Idk even know if I'm for a one-state or two-state solution. I feel like I keep bouncing between them, because you're right, there's still some problems with the two-state solution.

It would be better if they could all share the land in peace, without the settler colonialism. Maybe with some Constitutional guarantee of rights so the more numerous Palestinian population didn't immediately use their votes to fuck over the Jewish population there as soon as they got the right to vote. But idk, I'm not some doctorate in international and Middle-Eastern relations, I'm just a person who doesn't like civilian deaths and wants to see it all stop 😔

[–] charliespider 5 points 1 year ago

I totally agree. I think a separate internationally recognized Palestinian state is the only solution to keep Israel from encroaching on any more land than they have. That's been offered in the past but turned down by the Palestinians. A separate Palestinian state will also not prevent both sides from firing rockets at each other until the end of time.

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