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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Still a whole lot faster than anything Russia was attempting. They're attacking several places to find where is the best location to push though and exploit

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think Bachmut is the best example for this. It took them months and they couldn't even control all of it.

Meanwhile Ukraine seems to make quite some progress.

[–] ToastyWaffle 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think we've just thought the Russians are more incompetent than they actually are, because we haven't seen the Ukrainians attempt an offensive on an equally prepared defense. It seems as though the pace and collateral of this war is much closer to WW1, than WW2. In WW1 offensives would take place over a period of months only to pierce about 10km into the front.

While I think the Ukrainian army is more organized and effective than the Russians, I doubt we'll see a breakthrough anywhere along the front, especially now that Russia has more men to hold the lines. Instead we'll just see the gains being slightly larger than the Russians ones when they were on the offensive. In fact that's exactly what we're seeing. It's been almost a month of heavy offensive fighting and only a few hundred sq km of territory has been taken, and the Ukrainians haven't even arrived at Russia's main prepared defensive lines.

I'd say it looks like the war is going to go to a stalemate without NATO getting directly involved or Russia doing a full mobilization. Maybe Russia can just keep grinding out Ukrainian over a few years but there's no way to tell for that at this point.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.