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I think there's a simpler, more personal way to make this point. Here's a few thought experiments:
Imagine you work for a company that lays you off, even while doing enough stock buybacks and executive bonuses such that they could've paid your salary for 1000 years. After you get laid off, imagine what would happen if you just ignored them and continued doing your work.
Or, your landlord doesn't renew your lease because they think you're ugly and they don't want ugly people living in their building. Imagine what happens if you just stay, even if you keep sending the landlord their monthly rent on time.
Both of these situations end with armed, taxpayer-funded agents physically removing you from the premises by any means necessary; it is only the omnipresent threat of state violence that keeps capitalist control over their private property. We don't see the violence because we've been trained from an early age not just to accept it, but to not even see it.
Very true, although I can't think of a better solution than having the state monopolize violence and enforce things like personal property etc and that's not necessarily anything specific to capitalism either.
Luckily solutions don't rely on your imagination.
If people who "can't think of a better way" would stop trying to impose their lack of imagination on the rest of us we would be able to progress.
There are smarter people than you or I in the world and they aren't the ones running things, the ones whispering, "You're nothing without me"
The first step of any abusive relationship is recognizing it's an abusive relationship. The second is to stop making excuses for your abuser and just leave, no matter what they claim the cost to be.
This is a terrible argument.
Is not an argument.
Well that's a problem.
Yes. For you.
I can no more save you from capitalism than I can save you from an abusive relationship.
The real tell is when I point it out and you get upset with me; classic response by the abused.
Are you intentionally trying to be off-putting?
Nope. Just comes naturally.
Well, as long as you recognize your abusive behavior and realize that it isn't desirable.
Abusive behavior? Really? Because I'm saying you're being abused. Fucking hell. Stay asleep.
Thank you for demonstrating my point.
Being annoyed with you isn't abusive.
I'm going to take a guess here that you're right wing ideologist.
😂 I'm a socialist you asshole. Just because you can't put together an argument and you are an asshole to people doesn't make me a right wing nutter.
You seem intent on being offended and attacking me while playing the victim.
I'm sure you understand the confusion if you spent as much time as I have discussing these things with right wing ideologists.
You certainly have a knack for being an insufferable ass.
You have offered zero constructive criticism but as if you already a convert I see no reason to converse with you further; now or ever in the future.
It is a respectable argument in the way that matters, as identifying a previous, terrible argument, one that was nothing but an appeal to ignorance.