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solves nothing. you eliminate a negligible amount of carbon emissions. focusing on our individual impact is a waste of time when there are companies and their leaders doing orders of magnitude more damage.
Companies and their leaders are paid by individuals, lol. Going vegan definitely does help.
Even still, why did you only mention carbon emissions? The question was about making a better society. Did you forget that veganism is about animal rights?
no. it doesn't.
please point to the year you went vegan on this chart
What a stretch! The last time I saw this line of reasoning was from actual holocaust deniers. Did you know that the population of humans has rapidly increased over time?
pigeonholing me with holocaust deniers is a hamfisted ad hominem.
Nothing about you. Just the argument! It's quite plainly stupid, you see.
this is an appeal to ridicule, not a refutation.
I already refuted it, but you never addressed that aside from the non-sequitur "What's your excuse?"
I didn't ask you for an excuse. I refuted your claim with facts.
you have not refuted it at all, and I don't have an excuse: I have facts.
whatever your excuse, being vegan hasn't helped.
Excuse?
you said it helps. i pointed out the proof that it hasn't decreased meat production at all. you made an excuse for why your tactic isn't working.
I see! Maybe you've never before encountered the concept of opportunity cost before. It's something like this: if I don't murder someone on a given day, I'm not actually decreasing the total number of real murders on that day. But contrasted against the hypothetical day where I made the inverse decision, it does. Does that help?
so being vegan doesn't actually help. which is what I said.
Which part remains unclear? Is it the use of a hypothetical? Specifically, this hypothetical asks you to imagine a world with no vegans. Do you think that, in such a world, there would be more animals killed for consumption or fewer animals killed for consumption, compared with reality?
I have no reason to believe the industry could produce any more than it does, and so no reason to believe it would.
Exactly! In a world with more vegans, fewer animals are killed. Hence, vegans help.
what do you mean "exactly?" I said your hypothesis doesn't seem intuitive to me. but even more dire: it can't be proven.