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So from having had a few exchanges with pro Russian accounts on Lemmy (which seems to be infested with a few very active ones) this is a summary of their arguments:
That all sounds like brigading emotional nonsense. In fact, there were strong reasons for Russia to invade. It is probably true that Russia was manipulated into invading, it had no choice because of strategic decisions made by Ukraine. It's a shame none of the people you talked to were able to argue the issues sensibly.
Well here is your chance. Argue this issues sensibly.
Probably the tired line of NATO expansion fears. How'd that work out? Does Russia have more or less NATO countries near their borders? The invasion itself is the best sales pitch NATO could ever need.
This just supports that explanation? Use your brain man.
So Russia says: "Nooo, nooo, don't band together to defend yourself against our aggression! You mustn't band together to defend against me! Wait if you even dare think about it, I'll invade you. So here come the tanks"
What aggression? NATO is the obvious aggressor here? You don't even believe what you're saying. This propaganda is stale man. Even NATO admits it was the provoker.
What aggression? See Ukraine
But that was a response to NATO aggression?
Ukraine wanting to join NATO is NATO aggression? Lol France & Germany even said they wouldn't allow them in
They promised Ukraine they'd let them join so they could use them as cannon fodder in their proxy war. Then they betrayed them. Even Zelensky was threatening to install nukes after they joined. Totally not aggressive.
You must have missed some history then. Bush said he wanted them to join. France and Germany told him "never gonna happen cowboy". I'm not sensing you know anything about how NATO works in this regard but they basically told ol' gubya he could go eat a bag of dicks in the corner. Can you cite a source of NATO promising anything or are you going to join him there finish the rest of the dicks
Here's Secretary-General Rasmussen inviting after the Obama regime's Nazi coup. You must have missed some history.
Yeah Rasmussen is still eating dicks in the corner along with his buddy Bush jr.
Watch out there might be a nazi in the bottom of your bag!
Weak. You try to enjoy your dick now.
There was no NATO aggression. The response doesn't make sense anyways. It only strengthens NATO. Are you actually Russian? I can't make any other sense of your stance here
Having a Nazi puppet state threaten you with joining the world's most destructive military alliance and install nuclear weapons isn't aggressive? What's your reasoning?
Lol ok, that's what happened. 👌
Which part do you disagree with? This is all historical fact. Nobody disagrees with this.
Lol, lemmygrad. GTFO with your bullshit
Great contribution there Mr Feynman.
Why thank you good sir