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The instance seems to be mostly right wing trolls. I know defederating is unpopular but I don't think much is to be lost in this case and it can save the mods some headaches.

Edit: the response on exploding-heads.com to my reporting of transphobia. Courtesy of the "second in command"

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Don't de-federate unless they're allowing the planning of violence, CSAM material, or actual abuse.

As a leftist I see it like this:

Blocking someone is: "I don't want to see this"

De-federating is: "I don't want you to see this"

Blocking someone is: Ignoring a person saying bigoted things.

De-federating is: Jailing a person saying bigoted things.

If you can't handle people saying shit you don't like then you need thicker skin. If you can't engage in a conversation with a person who shares an opinion that you fine distasteful then you need to seek maturity.

If you can't disagree with someone without physically attacking them, then you don't deserve to be part of a community. If you can't exist without abusing another person, then you don't deserve to be part of a community.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (8 children)

lol, defederating is not anything like jail

  • Federating is like sitting at a big table with a bunch of people in a restaurant.
  • Blocking is moving a couple seats down from someone who's being an asshole so you can't hear them anymore (but meanwhile they're still harassing your friends, you're just ignoring it)
  • Defederating is separating the group so that you're no longer at the table with the asshole and their asshole friends

Now, in a tolerant society, we should be tolerant of people who are merely annoying. But not people who are normalizing violence and hate. There are people you fundamentally should not sit at a table with.

It's important to understand the difference between a good faith disagreement and bad faith propaganda and harassment campaigns, which is what the right wing troll farms deal in.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Defederating is separating the group so that you’re no longer at the table with the asshole and their asshole friends

The issue is that you're no longer choosing who you interact with you're choosing who everyone interacts with. You're walking away with a table that other people are sitting at. This isn't Reddit you're not banning their subreddit, they're not deplatformed, you're just adding them to the block list of everyone on your instance.

You have no right to tell me what I can see and respond to anymore than I have a right to tell you who you can and cannot block.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You have no right to tell me what I can see and respond to anymore than I have a right to tell you who you can and cannot block.

This isn't Reddit you're not banning their subreddit, they're not deplatformed, you're just adding them to the block list of everyone on your instance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can manage my own block list. You can manage your own block list.

You can't manage my block list, and I can't manage your block list. Fair?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. You can start your own server if that's how you want it. That's fair as designed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not the one trying to change the server.

If you're not happy here then there are other instances for you.

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