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I've been talking with @[email protected], and we agreed it would be best to discuss this as a community. What are all of your thoughts on defederating instances with loli and shota? My thoughts will be posted in the comments.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Personally, I joined this instance because it hadn't defederated anything. It leaves the power to us, the users, to decide what we do or don't want to see, rather than an admin. Defederating goes against the principle of free speech, as loli/shota content, while most find it distasteful, is not illegal, at least in the US, and so it is up to the user if they want to see it or not. I'm aware that "free speech" is a loaded phrase nowadays, but it is a principle I personally believe in quite heavily. The users can decide what they want to see or not. I believe defederation should only be used for explicitly illegal content.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

That's a fair perspective. I'm a bit more in favor of admin curation specifically because lemmy allows people to self-host, which gives the users complete control over everything in their personal instance. With larger instances with lots of people though, I think that the admins have a bit more power to curate a specific type of atmosphere or try to remove elements that they think are toxic to the community of the instance at large.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean isn't it being a full on buffet for the users to block content they see fit a certain level of curation? Some give you finely tuned instances (beehaw), some give you a moderate amount of curation, and some give you, the user all the power and control. Why can't there be a general instance that does that?

The admin already said that they don't want to defederate, why not find an instance that has defaults that match and respect what you believe are same defaults?

I agree that curation can be great, but not every instance has to be tempered to your tastes. Personally that content is a hard block for me, but I don't want my choice taken away. Look at what happened with beehaw, while justified, many users didn't get the choice or power to decide.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I made this post at the direction of the admin, who was neutral on the issue and wanted to get feedback from the community, so this isn't my personal agenda post but rather opening a community discussion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's completely fair, I just commented late and missed the timely context. Sorry about that!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's all good. Issues like this bring about really strong opinions, but one of the things that I appreciate about Lemmy over Reddit is I think we're a bit better about resolving conflict.

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