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[–] [email protected] 498 points 1 year ago (52 children)

This kind of gatekeeping and elitism is bad for Lemmy and for FOSS.

It makes this community a less welcoming place and leaves new folks with a bad first impression. Much better to be welcoming and let people learn/see the benefits of FOSS at their own pace.

[–] DigitalPortkey 105 points 1 year ago (25 children)

This is why I unsubscribed from the Android community. I love Android, I use nothing but Linux at home and really appreciate open source software.

But the FOSS...enthusiasm is starting to border on zealotry. It's getting really unpleasant.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (24 children)

Try to tell the Linux users on here that you prefer to use Windows...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

FirEfoX iS bROken weBSitEs DoN’t EvEnLoAd on iT

also it is so slow and memory inefficient

ignore any memes about anything also

[–] DigitalPortkey -4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This drives me nuts. I like Chrome. It's simple, it's fast, the extensions I want run on it (for now), and I love the Google Account Sync because I have an Android phone. This greatly pisses off people for whatever reason, despite the fact I've never had a bad opinion about Firefox and love what they're doing too, and I never criticize anyone for choosing Firefox.

As with everything open source communities need nuance and understanding, otherwise they start to feel like cults.

[–] Misconduct 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For whatever reason? They're trying to DRM the internet lol. You're certainly entitled to your opinion but there are some pretty big reasons to be mad at Google on a good day. Nobody should take that out on you but I understand the frustration. People letting things slide because it doesn't bother them specifically until it's too late is how everything keeps getting worse.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's no denying that WEI is evil. It may in fact be the feature that kills the Chrome Browser and gets Google fined into poverty.

But from a user standpoint; I get it. It Just Works. That polish built into Chrome that allows users to sync their browsing sessions across machines? It's absolutely critical and required.

The FOSS community has this weird habit of requiring it's users to make sacrifices to meet it's values. Where that doesn't harm the user, their workflows or their convenience in general; users are typically more than happy to do so.

However; A lot of FOSS and FLOSS projects tend to take ridiculous stances against certain kinds of polish features and will REFUSE to implement them no matter how many people ask. In my opinion; if you want a software project to succeed and overtake massive competition; that's just stupid. Especially when it's as easy as forking a repository and baking the "Controversial feature" into the user-friendly fork version.

If you want to provide a core piece of software and all; sure! Please do that! But a lot of projects don't, and won't spend any time on user experience at all; and any kind of work on the UX arises because something is inconvenient for the devs.

Worse is that oftentimes; the polish features that are being blanket denied and intentionally omitted from the software are in fact not that complicated to implement in a manner that runs consistent with the values of the FLOSS community. Sure; that means that perhaps you do have to host a lot of things yourself to make sure that you truly retain control over your data; but that's actually pretty easy to learn how to do.

I do understand the limitations of the average FLOSS project. Unfortunately; a lot of FLOSS and FOSS devs are very quick to decide that they know the best, and will frequently and often refuse to listen to the user. That's not better. It's worse. At least when a user is a customer, they have some degree of influence and can exert some small force on development priorities. In the FLOSS community; you can donate every cent you have to a project and it does not necessarily guarantee that you will get a say, or even one request, fulfilled. For some users; that is not better, it is worse.

We still have a long way to go before we reach a society with the maximum amount of balance between beneficial qualities, and none of the negative qualities, of socialism and capitalism.

[–] kameecoding 5 points 1 year ago

firefox can also sync your shit across browsers, I'd argue it does it better than chrome and it just works, I'd argue better than Chrome.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The nuance is recognising the Google hegemony is supported by choosing Chrome.

The understanding is realising what is happening to the open web as a result.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Your comment could be distilled down to "Let people have things" and is still getting downvotes lol. Yeesh.

[–] kameecoding 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

firefox also has sync, better even than chrome you literally have a button for checking out what you browsed accross all devices, you can send tabs from. one device to another

[–] WldFyre 1 points 1 year ago

Chrome has that too FYI

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