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What is censorship for you? I mean do you want to have an instance that deletes nothing?
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That sounds like a terrible place.
A place where no one is policing what people can say? Sign me up!
Censorship only applies to people you dont like saying things you dont like. Eventually it'll be turned on you.
Makes me wonder what you want to say or read that gets censored.
This is giving me "why do you care about privacy, what do you have to hide" energy
I see the similarity but no. I am for free speech but I am also for the right to deny a platform. Now I see the point in trying to find a place that aligns with one's values. Maybe a place that allows NSFW content vs one that doesn't or political affiliation. Still these places will usually moderate some content e.g. harassment or illegal things. So apart from the fact that there is probably no place that deletes nothing I am wondering: What would one want to post that is so controversial that one had to find a place that deletes nothing.
Some things should be deleted because they are bad for the community as a whole. Harassment, threats, doxxing, calls for violence. You honestly wouldn't want someone to delete a post with "@[email protected] lives at XXX. Let's get together and beat him to death"? And if that doesn't faze you I can tell you that most people are not like that. So the place you are imagining would be a very small community very fast. Apart from that there is the problem of illegal content and defederation.
I think there's an obvious difference between doxxing and calls to violence and "I dont like x." Words and thoughts cannot do harm, and the only way to defeat bad logic is with good logic. No one will change their mind if you censor them, it only gives them more power. If you actually want people to think differently, you have to have an open forum for discussion. And unless you can allow others the same right to free speech as you, you cant expect the same to be given back to you.
Well that means you don't want a place where nothing is deleted. That's all I wanted to find out.
I mean, deleting content is, by definition, censorship. Not all censorship is bad. For example, I think everyone here wants spam to be censored. Let's not change the definitions of words :)
I don't want to change the meaning. I was just trying to find out if OP really means that: in instance that deletes nothing.
Fair enough, sorry if I misinterpreted your post