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[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

UPDATE: I added some clarifying points in light of getting some of this wrong. I believe the underlying point still stands.

No. I believe I understand why you think so, but just no.

At best, covering your ass means gathering evidence about how much you tried to warn the people making decisions, in order to avoid or deflect blame when things go wrong and someone starts wandering the countryside looking for people to blame. I'm not suggesting that. I'm not even suggesting saying "I told you so." when things go wrong.

Quite often, at least how I've seen it, covering your ass involves not even trying to do the right thing or, perhaps, pretending in public to do the right thing in order to have a plausible excuse when things go wrong. That's also not what I'm advising.

I'm advising not to accept responsibility for other people's bad decisions. If you genuinely did your best to influence their decision and they chose poorly anyway, don't take responsibility for that choice. The responsibly remains with the person who had the authority to decide.

For example, if the OP decides to listen to you instead of to me, that's not my responsibility. I've tried to explain my position, but the responsibility for choosing what to believe belongs with them. I'm most definitely not covering my ass; I'm recognizing that I'm not responsible for replacing OP's judgment with mine. If they ask me for more information, I have the responsibility to provide it. If they ask me to clarify my position, I have the responsibility to do that. But I am not responsible for convincing them nor for their final decision.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Covering your ass typically involves not trying to do the right thing or, perhaps, pretending to do the right thing in public in order to have a plausible excuse when things go wrong

You have a very different idea of CYA than I (or the other poster). To me, CYA means ensuing you have evidence that tried to do the right thing and were overruled, so that you will can (justifiably) avoid repercussions when the failures you warned about come to pass.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm with you. Two things.

One, I assumed that the commenter was referring to the cynical kind of CYA, which I was certainly not advocating. I might well have got that wrong; only the commenter knows what was in their heart. Oops. I've tried to clarify my first comment, just in case that helps anyone else reading.

Two, I said nothing about gathering evidence to be able to produce when needed. (And I genuinely wasn't thinking about that.) I merely said that if you tried your best, then you did enough and not to feel responsible for their decisions.

In both cases, I don't think I suggested covering any ass. I certainly didn't intend to.

Thank you for clarifying and not letting me off the hook.