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[–] madeinthebackseat 56 points 3 days ago (10 children)

The right time for Chinese tariffs was 1980.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Not arguing. But why that year specifically?

[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

It's roughly when the US shut down practically all of our manufacturing plants and laid off the vast majority of our manufacturing talent.

We've had some 40 years of mostly not passing down the knowledge of how to manufacture things well.

What manufacturing we still have is pretty amazing, but the demand for cross training - should those jobs return - is going to be way more than the remaining available talent can take on.

Bringing it back in 1980 would have given us a shot to pass on all the skills of the previous generation of skilled tradespeople.

[–] Machinist 8 points 3 days ago

I have watched Chinese tool steel and heat treat ability improve massively over my career. The steel went from chineseium to the cheap usable option in a shop.

Tool and alloy steels are a basic measure of a country's industrial ability. That genie isn't going back in the bottle.

The gutting of US manufacturing and unions has been a crime against blue collar folks that most don't understand. Few new machinists stuck through the recession of the aughts. There are few machinists in my age bracket. There is no magic switch to rebuild manufacturing in the USA. It takes years to create competent machinists and we don't have enough competent machinists to do the training. The apprenticeship programs have mostly been eliminated, the guys that taught me had journeyman's papers but those programs were gone by the time I came up.

I've been lucky enough to grow three machinists, green to competent, in my career. Had to fight with management/corporate to do that much. I know of one that has already left the trade.

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