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I'm deeply concerned about their anticrypto discussion stance. Digital fungible money is a key component of any privacy discussion.
Many privacy focused services accept payments in crypto, such as vpns, web hosting, email services, etc
Not being able to discuss this axis of digital exposure is antithetical to a healthy discourse about privacy.
I've seen people on Lemmy promote Monero like they were getting paid to promote it, mentioning it in any thread they could squeeze it into the conversation.
I forgot about the contents of some of those. An extra ironic message to a sex worker:
Monero is the gold standard for that very reason.
I accept the policies of DBZer0, That's why I didn't start this discussion on their instance.
My core thesis still stands, a discussion about privacy must include all options, including private fungible digital money
Moving all of the privacy discussion to a place where the privacy discussion is limited to a subset of things that are private. It's probably not good for the privacy community
This is the fediverse, you are not bound to an instance
We are here, on lemmy.world, redirecting people to the community on DBZer0. That is why I'm concerned
The discussion is about the right home for privacy discussions. I'm happy that privacy@dbzer0 exists, but I am disturbed that we are trying to consolidate all conversations to a community that does not allow all conversations.
To be honest in order to have a chance to offer a real alternative to [email protected], some consolidation is needed, otherwise the .ml community is just going to stay the one main community forever.
@[email protected], it seems like you are the last active mod on [email protected], would you be okay if I created a meta post there to suggest to lock it and redirect to [email protected] ?
Fine by me!
Thanks, will do that when I have some time
We'll make sure they come join us
LW has blocked [email protected], how do you think they'll react if people start asking "which VPN should I use to be anonymous and torrent"?
As I said in another comment, crypto can be discussed in another community.
Monero and ZCash. Everything else is the opposite of private.
Hello @[email protected] @[email protected], could you please clarify?
From what I understood, promoting privacy services which allow to pay in crypto is OK, but not to promote cryptocurrencies themselves?
I'm ok with people promoting services which accept cryptocurrencies (hell, Lemmy itself accepts crypto donations). However promoting cryptocurrencies itself is a no-no in our instance.
Also: Crypto is a not private. The blockchain is public.
Not necessarily true for all ledgers, such as monero.
https://www.getmonero.org/get-started/faq/#anchor-different
Monero users can and have been deanonymized by the police. Monero also acts as a de-facto tumbler, meaning by using it, you're money laundering for criminals as a matter of course.
Necessarily true for Monero. Theirs is public too, freely available for anyone to download and analyze. The rest of your response did not refute this. An honest response might have been "transactions are public, but..." and you could have laid out your rebuttal, but denying a fact and following it up with irrelevant PR does not make me more confident in the project.
That, and the simple explanation that evangelizing Monero has a perverse incentive I hadn't even considered (it benefits money launderers in addition to speculators) makes me trust it all the less.
I'm not trying to defend monero here, but the ability to have a conversation about such things.
My core complaint still stands, digital fungible money is part of the privacy conversation. Especially threat modeling for people.
Personally it's okay with me. Feel free to have a look at the previous thread (https://feddit.org/post/6950586), but long story short
Lemmy.dbzer0 has a very good record of stability and management. If we need to discuss crypto in a dedicated discussion, why not. To be fair, I expect some backlash of any pro-crypto discussions in a general privacy community anyway.