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The same can be said about feminists and abolitionists.
abolitionists and feminists fight against comparing slaves and women to animals.
Speciesism fuels racism and sexism.
veganism was invented in the 1940s. abolition and feminism didn't need veganism to make significant progress, and until the mid 20th century, none of them were vegan anyway.
it's hard for me to imagine that veganism is a necessary facet of any liberatory struggle.
People believed in animal rights for hundreds of years before 1944 think of the Jains and al-Ma'arri.
What we do to animals leads to human cruelty. The idea of controlling others and using them for our own purposes stems entirely from animal husbandry.
Jains don't believe in animal rights. I don't know the alma'arri, but I do know that it was mostly people advocating for their own full humanity that won them progress.
Now you’re just proving that you know less about this topic than you think you do. Jains almost completely refuse to eat animal products and they walk a certain way to prevent potentially harming microbes. They’ve have been advocating for animal rights for over 2500 years and were first ones to open animal shelters in India.
al-Ma'arri was a philosopher, he was regarded as the one the earliest animal advocates in history.
what are the enumerated rights Jains bestow upon animals? there are none.
Oh great more bad faith arguing.
your accusation of bad faith is, itself, bad faith.
Nah, I’m done arguing with you. I’m not wasting my time with a troll.
You’re on the block list now.
oh thank God.
calling me names doesn't change the facts
you can't prove this.
Taking away someone’s autonomy, forcing them to do things they don’t want to do, pushing them to have offspring, lying that someone who is different doesn’t feel pain, the stealing of babies, the forced labour, the in-humane conditions, the punching and kicking that’s involved with both family farms and factory farms, the the gassing of the victims, the slicing of someone’s throat.
this isn't proof. it's a hypothesis.
Doing these to animals makes it way easier to do it to people.
But you’re just sealioning at this point.
this is more hypothesizing. it's not proof of your claim.
your accusation of sealioning is also bad faith.