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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Lest I go down a reading rabbit hole I don't have time for today, what's the TLDR on churchills evils? my history education was lackluster

[–] plunged_ewe 62 points 1 week ago (9 children)

During WW2, the Bengal region of India was suffering from a poor harvest. Despite having reserves, the British did not release those thinking they may be needed for the war (they were not).

The British also did not acknowledge any famine and provided no relief.

The resulting famine killed somewhere between 800k to 3.8m (according to Wikipedia).

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

The difference being that one was an act of cruel apathy, their lives were valued less than the war effort (one could even argue that the British hoped to ultimately save lives), while the other actively reveled in and advanced the industrialised mass murder of entire peoples.

Please, do not compare these two. One is cruel and wrong, the other is unfathomable evil.

Edit: King Leopold is for some reason still respected in some places I am told, which is disgusting. But I repeat, one was done to make a profit (at the cost of inconceivable suffering) while the other wasn't even done for profit - suffering WAS the goal.

[–] plunged_ewe 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're absolutely right. I was trying to be concise and in turn made it sound pretty accusatory.

There has been a number of investigations by both the British and Indian governments since the famine. The general consensus is that it was caused by bad management and unresolved socio-economic issues over any purposeful acts of cruelty.

I personally don't think Churchill actively encouraged the famine in India, but he was an ardent supporter of maintaining the empire by any means necessary.

Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao Zedong have all committed atrocities far worse. And I do agree that Leopold belongs on that list too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Sorry, I just noticed it sounds like I was accusing you of comparing them. Thank you for the explanation!

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