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Way to let philosophical ponderings down (lemmy.world)

submitted 4 days ago by Stamets to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Surely a chicken egg is an egg laid by a chicken though, not an egg containing a chicken, otherwise unfertilised eggs wouldn't be chicken eggs.

If the mutation occurs in the creature inside the egg, then it makes sense to me that that's where the new species begins. The chicken came first 🤔

I'm going to stop saying chicken and egg now, it's getting ridiculous... 😁

[–] disguy_ovahea 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The first chicken was created from a mutation of another species. That mutation occurred before the egg was completely formed, making it the first chicken egg. The first chicken wasn’t born until it hatched from that egg.

Therefore, there was a chicken egg before there was a chicken.

[–] TheFrogThatFlies 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So, by this you say that that egg when the egg was first laid it was not a chicken egg, but after the mutation it became a chicken egg? How do you determine if an unhatched egg is a chicken egg then? At this point I think we're better off calling all eggs Schrodinger eggs, because we never know what they are until hatched.

[–] disguy_ovahea 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Well, technically that’s true. Without analyzing a fertilized egg, we don’t know with certainty what the result will be.

For example, a woman could give birth to an albino without knowing before birth. Albinism is a mutation in the melanin production gene. The mutation forms in-utero. The equivalent to an in-utero mutation in an oviparous (egg-laying) animal would occur inside the egg.

So the direct ancestor of the chicken laid an egg that mutated into the first chicken egg, then the first chicken hatched from it.