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Don’t mean to cause an argument war in the comments so please stay civil. But it’s an interesting read.

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[–] ChicoSuave 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

Just Stop Oil feels like an astroturf group made by fossil fuel lobbyists to smear the idea of activists while teaching a generation how to fuck up protesting. Their wildly unreliable activities make me not trust them for defacing unrelated things like art. There are other, better ways to protest. And besides, coal is more destructive than oil so this group doesn't look like they know about environmental sciences. Britain was built on coal - fix that first. It's already dying, just do the world a favor and finish it off.

[–] nairui 7 points 1 month ago (6 children)

What are the other better ways to protest?

[–] ChicoSuave 9 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Interfere with the industry that it is trying to upset. Frustrating the customers does little to stop the supply/demand of the market so oil keeps being produced and used.

Disrupt oil production. Upset oil deliveries. Frustrate the oil users.

Those are the end objectives that will change how the world uses oil. Now the organization name makes sense - it's the start and sole cause of the movement. Now it can galvanize people to join by knowing the cause through a name that is a call to action. JSO does so much almost right that it feels like deliberate missteps each time JSO is in the news.

JSO can organize union drives to upset oil production. Rally the people behind it and the organization may see change from the inside. Or at least freak out the people in charge enough to see they need to change.

Dig troughs across oil access roads so maintenance crews can't get to rigs. Make the cost of running the business so high that the people making decisions have to start addressing the activity. Frustrate the business.

Throwing soup at an icon of culture does nothing to highlight the goals, rally support, or stop the offending action. It ONLY gives oil protests a bad name while being completely unhelpful at stopping oil.

[–] nairui 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It looks like Just Stop Oil does all of those things according to their Wiki entry: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Stop_Oil

And all I ever see on the news is soup on art. So what do you suggest now?

[–] ChicoSuave 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Stop throwing soup on art and keep fighting fossil fuels. Go after coal too. Power plants and refineries are choke points on the process. Just stop making the public mad with pointless soup throwing. Or at least throw it on Nigel Farage. Public figures need soup more than Renaissance painters.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

The UK has no more coal fire power stations, so it wouldn't really make sense for a UK organisation to go after coal.

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