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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (7 children)

This guide lacks the branch where people's sense of good and evil differs from the God's one.

[–] miridius 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

So wait the argument is that yes, by human definition, God is evil, but that he thinks all the atrocities in the world are totally awesome? That doesn't make him less evil

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (5 children)

More like, on the scale of mortal vs god, the things that are important to us either aren't important to god(s) or may be so insignificant to be actually imperceptible.

As a thought experiment, say you get an ant farm. You care for these ants, provide them food and light, and generally want to see them succeed and scurry around and do their little ant things. One of the ants gets ant-cancer and dies. You have no idea that it happened. Some of the eggs don't hatch. You notice this, but can't really do anything about it. So on, and so forth. Now - think about every single other ant you've passed by or even stepped on without even noticing during your last day outside the house. And think about what those ants might think of you, if they could.

Now an argument that a god is omniscient and all powerful would slip through the cracks of this because an omniscient god WOULD know that one of their ants had ant-cancer and an all-powerful one would be able to fix it. But the sheer difference in breadth of existence between mortal and god may mean that such small things are beneath their attention. Or maybe he really does see all things at all times simultaneously down to minute detail. We don't know. It is fundamentally unknowable to mortals. Our scales of ethics are incomparable.

We also don't know if the ethical alignment of a god leans toward balance rather than good. It would make sense, in a way, if it did. Things that seem evil to us are in fact evil, but necessary in pursuit of greater harmony. Or in fact even necessary to the very function of the universe from a metaphysical perspective. If we assume the existence of a god for this argument it leads to having to assume an awful lot more things that we can't really prove or test one way or the other. But one thing that seems pretty self evident is that the specific workings of a god are fundamentally unknowable to mortals specifically because we are not gods. We don't have a perspective in which we can observe it so any argument made in any direction about it is pretty much purely conjecture by necessity.

[–] Girru00 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wut?

You keep repeating that the "scale of ethics" is incomparable but flip flop between "theyre not omnicient or omnipotent"... "but maybe they are"

And what does "balance" have to do with ethical behaviour without you begging the question.

"If we assume the existence of god, we have to assume a lot of other things too" and...........????

Ultimately you spent a lot of time stating the cop-out argument of "its beyond us mere mortals". To which I can fairly respond... no.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

To which I can fairly respond... no.

You can't, though. Or, well, you can say it all you want but that doesn't make it true. I'm pretty certain that cats and dogs and bugs also think they've got humans figured out and I guarantee you they definitely, definitely don't, because it's physiologically impossible for them to understand. They're just not equipped for it. Just like mortals wouldn't be equipped to understand the perspective of an immortal, all-encompassing being, it's impossible for you to accurately place yourself in that perspective.

The ant farm thing was a little hamfisted but I think the analogy still stands for the purpose I introduced it for.

And what does "balance" have to do with ethical behaviour without you begging the question.

It is a possible explanation for the existence of evil. As in, the post we're arguing in the comments of right now. Nowhere in there did I ever say "this is the way things are", only "this is a possible explanation for a question we cannot definitively answer".

If we assume the existence of god, we have to assume a lot of other things too" and...........????

Please explain what part of that doesn't make sense.


This is all theoretical anyway, if a god existed your understanding of them would be limited to whatever they decide you're able to understand of them anyway, so the argument is largely academic regardless of feelings or underlying truth. The point I was trying to make here is that the difference in the sheer scale of existence between a mortal and a god is such that we may be as ants to them. We possibly could not understand them no matter how hard we try - we're just not biologically equipped for it - and some things that we consider important may be so unimportant as to never even get noticed by a god. But none of this is provable or even falsifiable so it's all a thought experiment anyway.

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