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To play devil's advocate here, I suspect many rural voters would probably just say they'd like to be left alone more than anything else.

They really buy into that Reagan line about "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" being the 9 most terrifying words in the English language. They haven't seen government programs working effectively around them.

I'm not sure promising more government assistance for rural areas is a winning message, is my point.

We might be able to point out the class divide between republican voters and their representatives, though. That, and highlighting the donors those representatives are really working for.

Conservative philosophy has had generations to settle in these areas, so any messaging to the contrary is going to be an uphill climb.

Explaining a joke never makes it funny.

Also, you're calling a joke low-brow while also admitting you didn't understand it.

Do you also need me to explain why that's a self-own?

Make them open and close in a circular pattern like a camera aperture and I'm in

"In rode the Lord of the Nazgûl. A great black shape against the fires beyond he loomed up, grown to a vast menace of despair. In rode the Lord of the Nazgûl, under the archway that no enemy ever yet had passed, and all fled before his face.

All save one. There waiting, silent and still in the space before the Gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax: Shadowfax who alone among the free horses of the earth endured the terror, unmoving, steadfast as a graven image in Rath Dínen.

'You cannot enter here,' said Gandalf, and the huge shadow halted. 'Go back to the abyss prepared for you! Go back! Fall into the nothingness that awaits you and your Master. Go!'

The Black Rider flung back his hood, and behold! he had a kingly crown; and yet upon no head visible was it set. The red fires shone between it and the mantled shoulders vast and dark. From a mouth unseen there came a deadly laughter.

'Old fool!' he said. 'Old fool! This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it? Die now and curse in vain!' And with that he lifted high his sword and flames ran down the blade.

And in that very moment, away behind in some courtyard of the city, a cock crowed. Shrill and clear he crowed, recking nothing of war nor of wizardry, welcoming only the morning that in the sky far above the shadows of death was coming with the dawn.

And as if in answer there came from far away another note. Horns, horns, horns, in dark Mindolluin's sides they dimly echoed. Great horns of the north wildly blowing. Rohan had come at last."

-J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King

I hear you. Hope the administration hears you too, for all our sakes.

I agree there's a problem, and I agree about supporting progressive candidates when available.

I think this is being taken as the only option mostly because a lot of strong progressive voices sat out this primary.

Fair enough, to your point about people on Lemmy planning to make mistakes in November. I suspect those people aren't the same ones voting uncommitted in the primary, though.

I mostly see those as motivated progressives trying to raise an alarm so Dems can course correct here. If Dems listened, they might give us more ammo to persuade those Lemmy users who aren't on board.

I'd say the idea of using the primary to voice concerns about what's happening in Gaza is the least harmful path for people who really care about stopping fascism in both countries. Dems need to really hear that there is a problem that needs to be addressed, and voting uncommitted is literally the least you can do.

Dems stand to lose a lot of votes if they continue to be silent for the "hug Bibi" policy.

Also, sorry, but I don't understand what alternative you're suggesting for this course-correction. Can you clarify?

For the record, my proposal is to hash this conversation out during the primaries and then go all-hands on deck for Dems in November. Because we have to.

I had heard the servitor story before but forgot where it was sourced. Do you happen to remember which book it came from?

RomneyCare was similar to Obamacare, mostly based on an individual mandate to buy private sector plans.

If we find people who regret it, do we then need to ban it? Is there a certain threshold of regretful people we need to meet?

Do you expect a lot of people to regret something that happened to them before they were capable of forming memories?

People did die...

No they're not, they're voting for results. They got an abortion ban they've been campaigning for since the 70's because of him. They don't care about where/how he prays, just about results.