it became an interesting experience in its own right, rather than just a gateway to LD
I see. In that case, yea. If you're interested in SP specifically for its own sake, you might have to learn how to induce it. I've induced a state of sleep paralysis deliberately like maybe once or twice or three times, so I didn't get into it all that deep.
I thought you wanted to use SP to induce an LD.
I'm impressed you're able to LD via MILD - that is the one technique which has consistently not worked for me. In my mind it's definitely classified under "tricky." WILD I generally have success with, but haven't tried it for a while.
Interesting. I've always thought MILD is for the newbs and WILD is for the experts. LOL WILD so far has just been waaaaay too challenging for me. I even surprised myself that one time I succeeded at WILDing (that actually happened fairly recently). I consider myself fairly advanced once I find myself inside a dream and lucid, but WILDing into an LD from being awake is not my strong point at the moment.
Out of interest, do you tend to LD or try to LD much?
In the past, yes. In recent years, no. The reason for this is because I had extremely intense questions that I intuitively felt were going to be answered through the practice of lucid dreaming. So I was extremely motivated to attain lucidity and I had attained it in relatively short order and then I split my time between having fun and seeking answers to my questions. After messing around with that state I pretty much settled all my questions from back then. That's why my motivation for LDing dropped. I still occasionally LD.
My main interest shifted into two areas: waking experience and the between-waking-and-dreaming experience. I like to fool around with these two. However, if I am fooling around with the liminal state of being between waking and dreaming, I don't aim for sleep paralysis. I just let my mind wonder without completely letting go of consciousness, and I get into these short visions and interesting experiences. It's very much like eyelid gazing while lying in bed. So I don't think about attaining full paralysis. I might have a very interesting dream vision really briefly, for 2 seconds, but I know I can move my arms and legs if I want to. I don't need to knock out my body per se, at least, not for what I am doing right now. Although if my body did get into an SP, that would be fine as well, then I can try WILDing again.
I actually think you have hit on one of the reasons I didn't care much when I stopped experiencing regular LDs. It wasn't so much that inducing them was too much like hard work - I think that once I was in them, though, the LDs themselves were becoming too much like hard work, and not nearly enough about play/enjoyment. So I'll try to remember that next time I'm in one and... manifest a wall of chocolate or something.
Yea, it's important to have fun. :) Otherwise one is tempting a burn out. I always do it like that. That's why even when I had a serious interest and serious big questions, I still made sure I had fun at least 50% of the time, lol. So I got plenty of flight time and other such things. :) Also, once my interest shifted, I don't become upset and I don't think I am worth less now because I don't LD as much as before. LD-ing is a powerful tool, but whether or not we're living good lives is not predicated on LD-ing 3 times a week or some such. That's too close to a gym rat mentality for me. Also, it's possible to study and benefit from subjective idealism without LD-ing at all. And, if LD-ing was a "must" then it would not be empowering. It's only empowering if it's a choice. These are some of the reasons why I respect lucid dreaming and I am eternally grateful for having learned and had lucid dreams and will gladly still have them on occasion, but I don't obsess about them either. If I have an intense need and only lucid dreams can answer that need, I know I will be able to have plenty of LDs. Until such time, I focus on other things.
Originally commented by u/mindseal on 2018-04-20 03:26:20 (dxmw6lf)
For me personally, if I keep going the way I'm heading, I'll eventually lose my "self": this personality and identity that I am. My current self, like yours, is still heavily entrenched in the material world. When I identify with what I am, it's mostly identifying with a normal person that's still stuck in the illusion.
As I continue to move forward, I'll lose everything about me that makes me who I am. I have facets of my personality that I like (which I very much want to keep as well) and I have facets that I'll be very glad to be rid of. To get to my final goal, I'm okay with throwing my whole identity in the trash and the reason is because I know I can take it out of the trash later if I want to. And I definitely will at some point, probably immediately in fact because I like to keep things slow and steady.
It's like "would you give up your car (which you really like) for a billion dollars?" Of course. Give up the car, get the billion, buy back that car and buy 10 better cars whilst you're at it.
The beautiful thing about subjective idealism is that you can have your cake and you can eat it too.
Making your self the anchor is an option though. It's the opposite of the eradication of the self but it still accomplishes the same goal. Above all, it requires confidence in your abilities. Usually the self is dependent on the material world because we see ourselves as products of the material world rather than the author of it. To make your self the anchor, you need make your self the author of all that is.
There are multiple ways to accomplish this. Lucid dreaming is an obvious one. Other ways just include working your way up from smaller things to bigger things. Working with new models of reality, preferably self created, is useful as well. To really gain a decent level of confidence, you really need to let go. It's not possible to cling to what's familiar and expect to make progress. There is a lot of fear and faith involved.
For example, if this is really a lucid dream, would you really be waking up at 7:30 am to go to work? No you wouldn't, but the fact that you do wake up to go to work or school or wherever, implies that this is not a lucid dream, it implies that you are not an all powerful being, it implies that you're a self, dependent on a material world.
So there is a leap involved that you need to take in order to progress. And you need to obviously take appropriately sized leaps so as to not go insane or lose all the progress you have.
Even with the erasure of the self, there are leaps that are necessary in order to progress. It all boils down to confidence. If you have confidence, you can do anything.
Originally commented by u/Green-Moon on 2018-04-10 20:43:38 (dx4c77x)