cleanprairiedog

What's extreme about not paying people to send animals to gas chambers or chop their heads off? Seems like consuming animals is more extreme than being vegan.

If my religion is not paying people to chop baby animals heads off then I'm glad I'm religious and not another pos carnist.

Can I get her #?

I think your first point is an appeal to futility argument. It's also a good reason to be vegan as crop production to feed animals requires more labor, more injuries. In fact, slaughterhouses are some of the most dangerous places to work. Back to the victims though, there's no respectful way to kill someone who does not want to die - be it a deer or a human. It was part of white culture to wipe out indigenous people and own slaves and there were many whites in the civil war who died trying to protect the institution of slavery which was a part of their culture. Oat milk is based, I encourage you to go vegan.

The dairy industry kills cows, the egg industry grinds up baby male chicks alive.

Do you understand that poem was written by a vegan who lived over a thousand years ago?

That refutes your claim veganism is a modern moral stance since it's been practiced over a thousand years. There were practicing vegans in major world religions even before then.

I do know I'm a modern human. If you're implying that because I'm a modern vegan, veganism is a modern moral philosophy, that's like saying a Model T Ford is a modern vehicle if someone today drives one around.

There's no greater privilege than thinking you're so important as a human, a sentient beings whole existence is worth less than 15 minutes of your taste pleasure. That's actual privilege, most vegan staples (lentils, tofu, chickpeas) are cheaper and have more protein than animal products.

Do you think gassing animals to death and cutting their heads off is abusive? If so, by your own definition, you're are an animal abuser if you're not vegan. And if you don't think gassing animals to death and cutting their heads off is abusive, that's some pretty serious mental gymnastics.

I don't have to win you over. Either you'll understand not being vegan is abusive to animals or not. I don't buy your gaslighting that you going vegan is dependent on you liking me or not.

I was not implying the person is a rpist. I was using rpists as an example of why getting sensory pleasure from an act doesn't make it morally right.

To use a modern, Western, privileged, moral stance on something humans have been doing for millennia is just silly.

You are diseased in understanding and religion.

Come to me, that you may hear something of sound truth.

Do not unjustly eat fish the water has given up,

And do not desire as food the flesh of slaughtered animals,

Or the white milk of mothers who intended its pure draught

for their young, not noble ladies.

And do not grieve the unsuspecting birds by taking eggs;

for injustice is the worst of crimes.

And spare the honey which the bees get industriously

from the flowers of fragrant plants;

For they did not store it that it might belong to others,

Nor did they gather it for bounty and gifts.

I washed my hands of all this; and wish that I

Perceived my way before my hair went gray!

Al-Ma’arri: AD 973 – 1058 A vegan Arab philosopher and poet who lived in what is Syria today

If you think animal abuse is wrong, then being vegan is the only right decision to make.

Unlike most religions, veganism is based on reality - the reality of ubiquitous animal cruelty in factory farms and slaughterhouses.

It's impossible to force another person to be vegan since it is an ethical philosophy. Being vegan requires the belief that supporting unnecessary animal cruelty is wrong, not just following a plant-based diet, and the action of not purchasing any animal products that aren't necessary for one's survival. In practice, it is a boycott and an effective harm reduction strategy.

Because non-vegans purchase the products of violence, vegans are forced to pay taxes that go on to subsidize animal agriculture or face imprisonment and live in communities with reduced accessibility in food systems. It's not the other way around. Think of all the advertisements for animal products a person who is against killing animals sees on a daily basis that are paid for by your dollars when you buy dead bodies and secretions from fast food corporations.

This idea that the animals rights movement is forcing people to follow plant-based diets is ridiculous, and if you're not vegan, you're forcing animals to die. I didn't force you to watch this video. I hope your conscience compels you to do better for animals that are suffering because of you, and if you do decide to cause less pain and suffering to them, that's an internal force.

The breeders for small scale goat and cow dairy operations supply factory farms in most cases. Buying starter animals from these places keeps them in operation. Animals cannot consent to giving their bodily secretions to humans. Chickens will often eat their own eggs and it improves their health. Cow milk is for baby cows, not humans.

If you buy any animal products from a grocery store, they've come from what you would think is a factory farm. Vital Farms Eggs for instance labels their eggs small family farm sourced, ethical, free range. But the farmers they source from still grind up baby male chicks on their first day of life because they can't lay eggs. They gas the hens once they stop laying enough eggs.

[https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko ](This is a documentary called Dominion, it shows the reality of animal agriculture)

You're still supporting animal abuse if you're vegetarian. Dairy and egg industries sexually abuse cows and grind up male chicks. If you care about animals, go vegan.