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[–] Linkerbaan 63 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Someone remind the Taliban can't possibly beat America with their junk weaponry and should retroactively surrender

[–] RealFknNito 48 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ah yeah, they won because of superior firepower and not extremely defensible, mountainous terrain, and knowledge of local complex cave systems.

[–] gosling 44 points 11 months ago (3 children)

That's a lot of words to admit "superior" guns don't make you superior

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Motherfucker this is NCD. Of course superior guns make you superior. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah we just knew we couldn't level the mountains without coming off as the warmongering aggressors we are.

If we let go of all rules for war we would have just carpet bombed the entire place until everyone was dead.

But because civilians are a thing we (generally I'm not saying America is a good example of not committing war crimes) don't do things like that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

It doesnt help that even carpet bombing the mountains would be extremely ineffective. Those tunnels run deep man, deeper than anyone thinks. Now we’re wasting a lot more on bombs only to have them escape anyways.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Dragunov: disrespected. PKM: also disrespected. Skorpion: most disrespected on this unhappy day.

For real, infantry training is way more valuable than any particular weapon gimmick as long as it is "good enough". The Soviets figured out qd optics crazy early, but it's not like every grunt was issued an AKMN and taught to use a magnified optic.

[–] FireTower 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Even more valuable than infantry training is having a functional supply line. Logistics wins wars.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

If we're going to be really credible:

  1. Have the biggest economy, or
  2. Be allies with the biggest economies
[–] rtxn 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

western firearms: "NO FEAR!"

mud: "xin chào"

western firearms: "One fear."

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A lone puff of sandy dust enters the mechanism...

[–] ooterness 17 points 11 months ago

NOOOO! My only weakness!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Nato has moved away from those iconic rifles and is going AR everything. Same with uniforms all becoming OCP/Multicam. It's probably for the best but I'll miss the uniqueness of the different systems, patterns etc

M16: Big, long boomer certified AR

M4: Optic and broomstick dong AR

Mk18,GAU5A etc: Smol AR

M27,M110 etc: AR with bipod

[–] peopleproblems 20 points 11 months ago

From a military logistics and training standpoint, one weapon platform with mission specific adaptations is far, far, FAR cheaper and efficient than specialized platforms with standardized accessories and ammo.

That's what the AK accomplished, (pulling this part out of my ass:) while not having the modern development that AR has provided.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The Kalashnikov was really good and has totally proven itself as the people's battle weapon.

The story of the rise of the Armalite as a reponse is a weird story, but as I've researched it (opinions often differ) it wasn't the AK that killed the M14, but the notion of squeezing three fire teams for M2 machine gun emplacements into a squad, rather than one.

The M14s were lost to M16s as their weight got displaced, but according to the Marines I talked to, they favored the M14 over the M16, and liked the hole they could punch through the enemy (and anything behind them for miles).

That said, later iterations of the Armalite got better.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

It really did not help that the original M16s were terrible, plus cleaning kits were sparcely handed out with the myth that the rifle was self cleaning, AND they changed the ammo the gun was originally tested on to a cartridge that had worse performance.

[–] crypticthree 9 points 11 months ago

I'm guessing you don't speak Czech

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

M60 far inferior to FN MAG AK trounced M14s when they were both adopted around the same time No mention of PK or SVD

Also an OG M16A1/A2 is not modular until you throw the SOPMOD blocs or A3/A4 revision upgrades - a better like comparison would be AK12 or a tricked out 100 series. Just dumb luck that AR could ditch the plastic handuards and front cap to use the barrel nut for ff rails, Stoner/Sullivan weren’t wizzards

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

AK, dragged through the mud, ran over by a truck, kicked around in a trench, nearly exploded by grenades: Still fires.

M16, looked at funny: Jams.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

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