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I am so so divided on if I should vote for biden or not. I wanna vote third party to at least do something or should I just stay home and protest and advocate where I can? Thoughts?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Only thing I have to add to the others is that this can only change once we have Ranked Choice voting. Look up your local nonprofit supporting this goal and volunteer.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I'm biased, but think you should vote for Biden. I voted for Nader I'm 2000 because I lived in Massachusetts at the time and it didn't matter there but I still regret it on the principle.

Biden is too centrist for my liking but the alternative is total chaos. I am super progressive but did vote for McCain in 2000 for the primary and never voted for Ted Kennedy!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Do what you want and don't be guilted by fear-mongerers on social media. If you want to vote third party, you should.

[–] TrickDacy 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

I wanna vote third party

Why

[–] gutternonsense 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Astroturfing early bc of "shocking" losses in 2023 elections?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

America (and alot of countries to be fair) need ranked choice voting systems so damn badly for this exact reason (if you're unfamiliar with it, a simple version is that basically you rank your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd pick, your first pick gets 3 points, 2nd pick 2 points, 3rd pick 1 point. At the end they tally up the points, and the party with the most wins).

Singular vote systems trend naturally towards 2 party systems often, whereas with a ranked choice system, far right people would vote for far-right-person that loads of people hate, far left people would vote for far-left-person that loads of people hate, but since almost everyone would put moderate-person as their 2nd choice that everyone kind of doesn't like, they would be the one to get elected in this case. It's like the old saying, a good compromise is when nobody is happy. That's what's needed to move away from extremist politics, but without a ranked choice system, it's not going to happen any time soon.

*this is grossly simplified, and there are examples of multi-party systems that don't use ranked choice, and there's many many caveats besides when talking so simply about something as complex as electoral politics, but the fundamental point stands.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't know what the rules are in the US regarding a protest vote, but that's what I do in the UK as long as the candidates I have to choose from (local or general) all make my skin crawl. If you don't represent my interests, you don't get my vote, and neither red nor blue team even pretend to care about people like me at this point, so:

https://www.votenone.org.uk/protest_votes_count.html

Oh, and just to pre-empt any "you're why people like Trump get in", no you. The system is literally designed this way -

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/22/american-democracy-was-never-designed-to-be-democratic-eric-holder-our-unfinished-march-nick-seabrook-one-person-one-vote-jacob-grumbach-laboratories-against-democracy

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/

https://truthout.org/articles/fascism-is-possible-not-in-spite-of-liberal-capitalism-but-because-of-it/

https://nyanarchist.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/scratch-a-liberal-a-fascist-bleeds-how-the-so-called-middle-class-has-enabled-oppression-for-centuries/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Please make what you can to avoid trump coming back. Please. Edit I understand the indecision but the situation is dire, if trump goes back to office the US is going into feudalism

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