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One of these pulled up at my workplace today and I can not get over how stupid they look and that got me thinking, who thought making a shittier version of an Odyssey was a good idea.
This thing can't be useful as a truck, can't seat as many as a van, costs $50k and burns more gas then an Odyssey (10l/100km hwy vs 8l/100km hwy). Does anyone who drives these things think they are hot shit?
Honestly the reason all these super big trucks exist now, instead of the small ones, is corporations getting around the spirit of the law, by following the letter of the law. When they tightened emissions controls around trucks, the way to get looser emissions was a larger truck. So they super-sized them and here we are today, with these stupid monstrosities.
The more I look at the new big little trucks the more I can not believe the bad fuel economy being sold as green-eco-greatness in these things.
A sibling of mine gets to use a fleet truck though work and they got a new ford platinum 1/2 ton truck, stupid fancy. That thing gets 12 to 14 liters per 100k, and that is not great but not bad. But the kicker is THIS THING IS A HYBRID! how does a 1/2 ton truck costing $100k with so much tech and eco marketing not even compete with a b2000 mazda from 1988 (supposed to be the same class fyi)?
Crapitalism strikes again
I have a ridgeline. I’m no way do I think I’m hot shit? I’m fact, I get shit for it not being a “real” truck. Odysseys have been on back order for years. You literally can’t buy one (this may have changed recently but that was a big part of why I ended up getting the ridgeline last year). I don’t understand your statement about how it’s not useful as a truck. I regularly have to move 4x8 sheet goods and it works just fine. When I was looking at cars, trucks, vans, and SUVs you’d be surprised at how many can’t do that. It’ll tow our family tent trailer, but not much else. It moves our family of 4 and dog. I don’t need all the seats a van provided. It has a little v6, not a hybrid like the mini van. Of course it won’t get the same fuel economy. Getting more than 20 mpg is pretty good for all the utility it provides. Also the top of the line “black” edition is 50k. I think starting msrp is 38k.
The ridgeline is a step in the right direction. It is the least amount a truck that a truck can be. Every ridgeline sold is an f150 that isn’t. You picked a weird thing to be mad at.
As a Subaru Baja owner, I disagree with your opinion. I've been able to safely haul 100 lbs propane tanks, as I feel much safer placing the tanks in the small bed than keeping it in the enclosed cabin of an Outback (or Odyssey). Upgraded the rear strut assemblies to mitigate the sag while carrying 20 bags of 40 lbs of wood pellets. The small bed lets me throw down a tarp and carry a reasonable amount of compost/manure without smelling up the cabin.
It also goes like a raped ape in snow. I find myself having a "snickers craving" during a winter snowstorm, just for the excuse to go driving to the grocery store (if they're still open), hopefully finding someone to pull out of the ditch along the way.
I much prefer the boxer engine in the Subaru over the setup in the Honda (or Hyundai), but to each their own.
I bought one and while I with they had a version that was compact sized instead of midsized, your hot take is terrible.
It is expensive, but my cars prior to it were a used 1992 Civic si I owned from 2001 till 2014, then I drove our 2005 Camry from 2014 till Dec 2022.
When buying a new car I wanted two primary things: a decent AWD ride and a bed I could put nasty stuff in and hose out after, like mulch and dirt. Something that did not work with enclosed spaces. I tried a few light trucks and they handled poorly or seemed cheaply made. The Tacoma has apparently needed to continue growing and is almost a full size now, too tall. The Ridgeline was the smallest one that seemed well made, had a decent ride, and has a bed I could hose out.
It sits lower than other trucks, so I generally feel small compared to other trucks. No idea why you think it is huge. Don't think I am hot shit, just someone who couldn't find a well made light truck and settled for the closest thing.
On a side note, it works perfectly fine as a truck and nobody buys trucks to seat 8 people.
My favorite part is that the Odyssey can store larger items because of the removable back seats. If you need to move a fridge, don't call the guy who owns a truck, call the guy who owns an Odyssey.
You probably don't want mulch in your odyssey though. So call the guy with the truck if you're buying mulch.
I've done mulch in an Odyssey, just lay out a tarp. Most tarps are already bigger than a modern truckbed too.
The best thing I can say about it is that I’ve seen worse.
All the old guys here are salivating for these and buying them up so fast. It's fucked. You're 70. You drive 20kms an hour under the speed limit and can't lift over 10lbs. What the fuck do you need this ugly thing for?
Doesn't look any stupider than all the supercabs out there, kept spotless and without a scratch on their beds by shrivel-dicked truckbros who wear ball caps and wraparound sunglasses regardless of the time or weather.
Yes they all look and are functionally silly.
Ehh. Not very happy with the look but my 2010 ridgeline has been tried tested and true. Great trucks. But they do feel small.
It is a Honda, I am sure it will outlast most other manufactures and be reliable. I just don't get how something this size can feel small, is it something to do with the cab?
Looked through the comments and was surprised to see nobody brought up the ford maverick - starts at 25k, 40 mpg for the hybrid version.
Why is this thread full of carbrained douchebags rationalizing their planet-killers?
I think Lemmy has so little car culture they're desperately searching for anyone talking about cars and think this is a good place.
Or they're actual car fuckers who are deeply confused in many ways
Someone should start a "Fuck Cars Sensually" community, it could be for car fans shitposting things.
I’m a car dork, I also sub here for all the reasons this place exists but I’m assuming I’m lumped in with the “car-brained douchebags”. This is a misinformed take by OP picking on one of the “less-bad” pickup body-style vehicles one could pick because it… shares bits with a minivan? That’s the point of it - While it straddles the segments a bit with almost full-size width and mid-size length, it’s still going to net superior fuel economy (comparable the Odyssey too) than pretty most any gas-only crew cab, short bed pickup and he’s picking on it because it’s not “as useful” but that means more weight, using more fuel, etc.
It brings car benefits to a pickup shape and I much rather this exist than another full-size pickup with a chest-high pedestrian-wacker hood line or trying to convince a pickup buyer that they ackshually want a minivan because good ol’ American ego already struggles enough with accepting a unibody pickup. (cue truck-bro “NOT A TRUCK” and “LOL PILOT WITH BED” comments)
they also can’t be lifted as much (as easily) due to their suspension design so you might appreciate that too
My take is that these stupid new trucks are crap and developing in the wrong direction (also this one looks like a shopping cart, but that is subjective). If this is the "less-bad" pick up then there is no pick up worth buying (hey that might be a whole point as well).
I don't hate this because it shares anything with the minivan, I hate this because it is worse then the minivan and is trying to fill a place in the market that used to be cool. Stop buying stupid giant truck like things. This is not good on gas (20% worse then the Odyssey), not small, still has a "a chest-high pedestrian-wacker hood line" and sticking up for these things just encourages more of them.
This would probably sell in Australia, where the two most popular cars are the Toyota Hilux and Ford Ranger.
They account for about 25% of the cars on the road and they get nothing but contempt when I'm driving around them.
I used to drive a Pontiac Vibe, which is a resticker of the Toyota Matrix.
With all the seats folded down I could comfortably transport 8 foot long 2x4s in it.
I wonder how many of these ridiculous crew-cabs can't say the same?
It seems like trucks are getting bigger and less useful every year. I am flabbergasted by how many times these giant Canyonero like monstrosities are outdone by station wagons and hatchbacks. Hell even some of the former cars have become SUVs (like the outback below) but seemingly lost space/utility:
How it started:
How it is going:
Checking the Wikipedia article on the Toyota Hilux reveals that ~1995 was peak pickup truck, and everything since then has been objectively a step in the wrong direction. I know this community is Fuck Cars, but this version was indestructible and actually amazing for the kind of shit people bought them for. Not many people would buy this to drive the kids to school or do the weekly shop. Actually, we had one when I was a kid, and I would ride in the back sometimes (just on farm roads in the UK) and it was awesome.
The popularity of pickups now is just insane. I can't understand why they've gotten so massive, and are owned by so many people who are clearly not using them for any work type purpose.