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U.S. intel agencies believe hospital blast caused by Palestinian rocket that broke apart after engine failure, officials say (www.nbcnews.com)
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U.S. spy agencies believe that the blast at a Gaza hospital a week ago was caused by a Palestinian rocket that suffered engine failure and broke apart into two pieces, with the warhead striking the hospital’s parking lot, intelligence officials said Tuesday.

Speaking to reporters by phone, the intelligence officials said they had “high confidence” in their assessment that it was not Israel that fired the rocket, but they were less certain which Palestinian militants fired the projectile on the evening of Oct. 17.

“We assess with high confidence that Israel was not responsible for the explosion at the hospital and that Palestinian militants were responsible,” an intelligence official said. “We assess with low confidence that Palestine Islamic Jihad was responsible for launching the rocket that landed on the hospital.”

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Literally no new info. "We watched the videos on liveleak and while we don't know what happened we know it wasn't our team".

And what's this?

The audio was not the same as that released publicly by Israel’s military previously, and it was vetted and deemed authentic, the official said.

Oh come the fuck on. Who is still buying this shit? "Hamas beheaded babies! JK we didn't say that. But heres 42 minutes of footage that confirms it but we will only let journalists watch if we can strap them down like Alex in A Clockwork Orange. Here's our evidence we didn't attack Al-Ahli. Ohh that's been determined to be fake by a 3rd party? Well we actually have extra secret audio we didn't tell you about before"

Netanyahu is somehow "my girlfriend goes to a different school"-ing his way through this war and dumbasses are lapping it up.

The US has microphones at the bottom of the fucking ocean to listen for submarines and I'm expected to believe we don't have a single camera pointed at Israel/Palestine? Come the fuck on.

Occam's Razor, the simpler answer is probably the correct one -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyNLvL_8SeY

[–] atk007 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's ridiculous at this point. They actually tried to walk back their original claim that they successfully attacked a Hamas group at a hospital, but then pics/videos of children dying popped up, and people were like it is a war crime, so the narrative switched and it was Hamas who bombed the hospital, and these fake verifications started popping up. Propaganda is at full swing here.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

This never happened

[–] ChapolinColoradoNZ 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The beheaded babies thing was blown out of proportion. One official reporter on the ground interviewed some IDF soldiers who said witnessed many families slaughtered in their homes, some beheaded including babies. She asked him how many and he said around 40 in that village. She then wrote the piece contain the incorrect claim. I do sympathise with you in the sense that the pro-Israelis took that 40 beheaded babies thing way too far and they should, at minimum, retract such claims in their news outlets. Now, this one wrongly interpreted claim does NOT mean civilians weren't targeted inside their homes and slaughtered, tortured, burnt, you name it. Hamas did NOT target military or essential services sites (like their electric grid or water supplies). They targeted civilians who could not defend themselves. If that's not terrorism, I don't know what is... Did you see the clip where a member of Hamas is walking through that party place and is shooting each portable toilet to kill anyone hiding inside them? What do you think of that? There were many non-Israelis present at that event. Do they get to the right to criticise Hamas?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I haven't said it in a minute so I'll repeat it. Killing civilians is not ok no matter who does it. It doesn't matter that Israel kills 36x as many civilians or that the US gives Israel $3-$4 Billion a year or that Netanyahu funded Hamas or that Israel is a colonist apartheid state, it is wrong when Hamas kills civilians.

If that’s not terrorism, I don’t know what is…

53.5% of children in Gaza have PTSD, is that not the result of terrorism? How about what's going on in Gaza right now? How about the settler terrorism committed by Israel? To be clear I'm not saying that what happened on Oct 7th was not terrorism, I'm not denying Hamas committed terrorism but it is hard to think they are somehow more culpable than the much better equipped Israel.

Did you see the clip where a member of Hamas is walking through that party place and is shooting each portable toilet to kill anyone hiding inside them? What do you think of that?

nope, source?

Do they get to the right to criticise Hamas?

Sure? I'm not really sure what that has to do with the attack on Al-Ahli.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

There have also been beheaded baby corpses found, though it is unclear whether they were beheaded before or after death.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

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[–] GuyDudeman 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well, it’s not like Israel’s ally would say anything different.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The US Department of State deemed that Israel was responsible for the death of the journalist Shireen Abu Akleh.

In addition to the forensic and ballistic analysis, the USSC was granted full access to both Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and Palestinian Authority (PA) investigations over the last several weeks. By summarizing both investigations, the USSC concluded that gunfire from IDF positions was likely responsible for the death of Shireen Abu Akleh.

So, yes, actually. Israel's ally has contradicted Israeli positions before.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The evidence pointing to PIJ was based on intercepted conversations between suspected “Hamas affiliated militants” who appeared to be speculating about who was behind the rocket launch, the officials said.

The explosion at al-Ahli Hospital has sparked anger across the Arab world, with protesters embracing the version of events put forward by Palestinian officials and Hamas — that Israel was responsible.

The U.S. assessment was based on intelligence, “physical activity,” open source video and images that all pointed to a rocket blast and not a bomb dropped from an aircraft or an artillery round used by Israeli forces, the officials said.

Open source video that was geolocated and taken from four locations showed a projectile launched inside Gaza traveling northeast, and 10 seconds later, there appears to be engine trouble based on the intensity of the rocket’s plume, the official said.

“Nobody is buying that narrative in this part of the world,” Jordan’s foreign minister, Ayman Safadi, told NBC News last week.

A senior intelligence official who took part in the briefing said American diplomats had asked for more information to share with governments in the region.

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[–] Zippit 2 points 1 year ago

Yes the US says... God I'm cynical today.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

No one believes that shit.