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A Detroit synagogue president was found fatally stabbed outside her home Saturday morning.

Samantha Woll, 40, led the congregation of Isaac Agree Downtown Synagogue. The synagogue confirmed Woll's death Saturday in a statement writing, “We are shocked and saddened to learn of the unexpected death of Samantha Woll, our Board President.”

“May her memory be a blessing,” the statement continued.

Authorities said a 911 call was made to Woll's home early Saturday, reporting an individual lying on the ground unresponsive. Police discovered multiple stab wounds on Woll's body and found a trail of blood leading to her house, where they believe the crime occurred.

An investigation is underway. At this time, the motive for the crime remains unknown.

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Far right white supremacist killings of Jews is far more prevalent in the US than Muslim killings of Jews. My first suspects would be among the extreme right.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 year ago

The whole far right media ecosystem is fucked. There was also the young Palestinian boy stabbed to death by a white right-wing nutjob for being Muslim recently because of the media's portrayal of this conflict.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/suspect-wadea-al-fayoume-death-was-obsessed-israel-hamas-war-prosecuto-rcna120589

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but Occam's razor doesn't. Metro Detroit is home to the largest Arabic community in the country. I believe Jewish/Arab relations are pretty sound there, but given the current circumstances...

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Far right arab supremacists also exist. Impossible to rule them out especially given the timing and circumstances.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (7 children)

place your bets place your bets will it be a nazi, a klansman, a jihadist, death by cop (never discount the possibility) or just some other random murderer? AAAAAMERRRRRICA THE LAND OF FREEDOM AND LIBERTY

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Forgetting the biggest cause of murders for women in the US: it was someone they knew, probably a lover.

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[–] Rusticus 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Maybe but the extreme right are mostly cowards that like to use firearms. A stabbing is off brand for right wing MAGAts.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices 11 points 1 year ago

Nope. Remember the 71yo landlord who stabbed his Muslim tenants recently? Mother and her 6yo boy?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/15/plainfield-illinois-plainfield-six-year-old-muslim-boy-mother-murder-hate-crime

They like guns, but it seems most of them accidentally shoot each other/themselves.

But yes, cowards that like guns is true.

[–] NewNewAccount 6 points 1 year ago

Interesting, but that does seems right.

[–] Not_Alec_Baldwin 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Talking out of my ass here, but I've heard that stabbing is a more personal crime. You need to get closer so it's more likely to be someone that feels deeply threatened or personally hurt.

That might be why we see these antisemitic attacks being stabbings, because the extremists feel deeply terrified and hurt.

I'm not justifying the crime - it's evil and they need to be locked up. But we need to understand where this extremism is coming from if we want to stop it.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Out of morbid curiosity… are the ~~skinheads~~ white supremacists rooting for the Israelis or Hamas? Usually they don’t like brown people, but they also don’t like Jewish people.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I realize this isn't your point but I feel the need to point out that skinheads are not nazis - it is unfortunately a very well working project of cultural appropriation by the racists.

In the scene racist skinheads are mostly referred to as boneheads, a term which I think makes much more sense.

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[–] hark 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

They're rooting for the Israelis because they want the ethnostate project to succeed.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In general, they have different things they perceive and admire about the two. Please know, I'll be using some of their words. In Hamas, they see people battling "Degeneracy" and "Jewish Influence." There is an admiration for Israel, as an theocratic apartheid ethnostate. Seriously, at protests, Ive seen them carry Israeli flags before. Mostly, though its a party. "The subhumans" are fighting, one will be destroyed and one will look bad in the eyes of the international community.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Local Jew in Detroit here. Woll was my friends' cousin. Another friend was in elementary school with her at Hillel.

People are shook up and scared. People aren't sure if this is the crest of a wave of antisemitic violence, or something more senseless.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My 3 kids are half Jewish through my ex wife. I hear you and I had a chat with them this morning about this. Although I'm in Toronto, Canada the same bigots are here and have been empowered by the same vitriolic rhetoric floating around.

I told them that hate is hate and if they hear it directed specifically at them or a Muslim in their school (friends with Iranians) for them to report to the teachers and to me. Hate will not be tolerated.

Please stay safe.

[–] FlyingSquid 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My daughter is also half-Jewish (I'm Jewish, my wife is not). I'm always worried about her getting bullied in school for it. I tell her to never tell anyone.

One of her elementary school teachers just assumed she was Jewish because I look stereotypically Jewish and treated her differently because of it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hear you and as a parent it's so sad knowing a child is being told to hide their identity.

Hugs from afar. There are many of us non-Jews out there that don't condone this bullshit.

Stay safe.

[–] FlyingSquid 4 points 1 year ago

Thanks, I appreciate it!

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[–] S_204 42 points 1 year ago (18 children)

May her memory be a blessing.

Those who spread lies and disinformation are responsible for this death. The Jew hate needs to stop. This woman was American, not Israeli.

[–] Adonnen 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would that be better? If some Israeli Jew living in the US had been stabbed?

[–] S_204 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why does the better alternative in your world have someone being stabbed?

A better option to me is nobody gets hurt that isn't involved in the conflict.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think they're pointing out that it sounds like by saying "she was American, not Israeli" that you think it would have somehow been less awful if she was Israeli.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (17 children)

At this time, the motive for the crime remains unknown.

Unknown? Clearly this prominent Jewish community leader in Detroit was viciously stabbed to death for her playstation, there was no other reason possible.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can't make any assumptions in these situations. If police are known for anything, it's being level-headed and unbiased.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How do you make a 911 call to someone’s home?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

The article has been revised to clarify for you

Authorities said a 911 caller early Saturday reported a person lying on the ground unresponsive at Woll’s home.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Know what street you're on, see the house numbers on the mailbox, dial 911, say "hey yes it seems someone is injured outside [ADDRESS], I noticed while walking/driving by."

Seems easy enough to me.

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