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micromobility - Ebikes, scooters, longboards: Whatever floats your goat, this is micromobility

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Ebikes, bicycles, scooters, skateboards, longboards, eboards, motorcycles, skates, unicycles: Whatever floats your goat, this is all things micromobility!

"Transportation using lightweight vehicles such as bicycles or scooters, especially electric ones that may be borrowed as part of a self-service rental program in which people rent vehicles for short-term use within a town or city.

micromobility is seen as a potential solution to moving people more efficiently around cities"

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm not really a bike person (yet, anyways), but this summer, my car wasn't worth repairing anymore, so I got rid of it. And yeah, since I lost an option for transport, it feels completely irrational to say that I have been enjoying it as well.

Before, I'd be too lazy to walk to the shops, even though I knew the walks were the bare minimum of sport I really should do. Every other week or so, I'd take the car and fill it up. As a result, I also rarely had fresh bread, fruits and veggies at home. And shopping was stressful in the sense that I really didn't want to forget any items and had to plan ahead much more.

Now I walk there every three days or so. Not going for a walk is not an option. And if I'm spontaneously in the mood for, I don't know, kale, I can just grab some. My food spoils less often, too, because I don't buy as much in bulk. And I'm less prone to overeating on foods that I was supposed to eat over the next two weeks.

Obviously, there's downsides. Big items, I need to order online. Toilet paper is just the stupidest item in existence. Summer days can be brutal, if I can't go in the morning. Winter days, I'll have to see, although going by car was a pain on those days, too. And well, I imagine, for families, this may just not be logistically manageable.

But yeah, for me, taking the short-term comfortable option away has increased my long-term comfort.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not really a bike person (yet, anyways)

Have a look at cargo bikes, they've diversified greatly over the last ~5 years. For example, there's models now that are smaller than a regular bike, way more nimble than a regular cargo bike, but still quite versatile if you don't need to carry three children and the kitchen sink, eg yoonit (they're a German company, not sure about availability elsewhere).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, I appreciate the thought, but splurging several thousand bucks on something I don't even know if I'll want to use, that just ain't happening... 😅

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Sure, I understand. It's still much cheaper than a car in the long run.

And prices will eventually drop with more competition and there's not a really functional second hand market for these things since they are too new.

But yeah it really was just an FYI in case at some point you realize "I can't do this by foot alone" you know there's a variety of options that's not a clunky "bakfiets".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Depending on the size of your household, you could just get regular saddle bags for the bike and use those to transport your groceries. You'd be surprised how much fits.

But also if you wanna continue walking you could get one of those shopping carts that grannies use, I think they're very useful and save you a lot of effort

[–] andrewth09 5 points 1 year ago

Toilet paper is just the stupidest item in existence.

Consider a bidet. It could help cut down your toilet paper usage.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Wow, congrats on the walking! Sad that your car was a write off though. I'm kinda lazy and usually end up using my bike as a replacement for walking sometimes... even when I probably shouldn't 😅

I've found that doing more frequent, smaller shopping trips really helps with keeping fresh food at home

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

[The legislation, he added, was also about “putting more joy into the world."]

Politicians in Texas never, ever, have this as an objective.

[–] Damaskox 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How long do you need to use an electronic bike before you compensate the materials used for the battery - and the whole new bike, nowadays?

[–] art 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's a lot more to the equation that just the battery. In term of over all pollution they're far better than a gas car. (220g CO2e/km vs 21-25g CO2e/km)

[–] Damaskox 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Okay. So...After 100 kilometers? 1 000? 10 000?

Also makes me wonder the equivalent information about a basic bike (non-electronic) 🤔

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if you just paid cash for a car and thus that is sunk pollution we are not counting, not more than 3 years to make up the fuel. If you count the car you already did

[–] Damaskox 1 points 1 year ago

I don't worry about the car in my point of view because I don't even own a driving license 😄

But to other's knowledge - good!

Do you know about the electric bike?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you're worried about the pollution or carbon footprint of an ebike, you're wasting your time. Or a sea lion.

[–] Damaskox 1 points 1 year ago

Everything pollutes. We are inside a mix of more or less polluting options and choices of life that lead to more or less waste.

Sometimes we get a little extra information of choices before executing them. And sometimes not.

My interest was to compare information 😄

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just buy a new battery.

Also, use a conversion kit on your existing bike.

Either way, less harmful than a car.

[–] Damaskox 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This didn't answer my questions 😅 Also, less harmful is very vague.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You could like, do some reading and find out I guess?

[–] Damaskox 1 points 1 year ago

That is also true.

One thing I like about Reddit/Fediverse and friends is that when someone discoveries or has the answer, they can throw information in these parts for others to find out!

In the best-case scenario - a system like this can feel almost like a tight encyclopedia!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I have one. Nice for longer rides, but I mostly stick with my regular bike for errands.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If only they were somehow affordable.

[–] Nouveau_Burnswick 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ebike: $2k

Conversion kit if you already have a bike: $500

Car: $10k/year

[–] sploosh 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

$10k a year for a car? My car, a plug-in hybrid, has a monthly payment of $320, insurance is around $100 and I use around 2kwhr to and from work daily, which costs less than $2 weekly. I only use gas when driving over 50 miles a day, which works out to a 10 gallon fill once a season, so around $120/year. I mainly drive it as an electric vehicle, maintenance is minimal. The car costs me $5208 a year in predictable costs and so far in 3 years has needed two new sets of tires and an oil change.

If you drive a massive vehicle sure it can cost more, but cars don't have to be a 5-digit item on your yearly budget.

[–] Nouveau_Burnswick 1 points 1 year ago

$10k is the average annual cost in the USA.

I own outright and it's still $4k CAD a year without amortization of purchase price.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Even $2k is a lot. You can easily get a good enough one at $800. Which is pretty damn cheap compared to what everyone on my city spends on meat bikes.

[–] Nouveau_Burnswick 1 points 1 year ago

Probably, but $2k was my first hit in duckduckgo ;)

[–] FartsWithAnAccent 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I got mine for $700 and conversion kits are even cheaper (also, better). They don't have to be expensive. There's also just regular bicycles: Even though I have an ebike, I still regularly ride my hybrid for fun, exercise, or if I'm just not in a hurry.

Check out the Lectric XP3 - it retails at $999

[–] Stabbitha 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can get them on Amazon for less than $500.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Really don't recommend those.