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Mazda is angry a customer used an API in a manner they couldn't control. You can read the DMCA takedown notice here.

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[–] Uglyhead 258 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just start charging exorbitant amounts of money for every API call; problem solved! —Spez

(Also: Fuck Spez)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Sadly it would end the same like with reddit or netflix: The loss due to the amount of pissed-off and leaving customers is obviously way less than the gain due to the ignorant or root-problem-agnostics. Makes me a sad panda...

[–] [email protected] 141 points 1 year ago (6 children)

This will be over soon. When the EU's Data Act comes into force, car manufacturers will be obliged to allow access to vehicle data.

[–] AdamEatsAss 78 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also isn't it Mazda's fault for creating an API that anyone can access and get information from? Someone in Mazda IT is probably frantically looking for the email chain where he was told to "just make it public" so our outside analysts can use it.

[–] agent_flounder 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I think yes, assuming nobody grabbed an API key out of the Mazda app or something.

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[–] [email protected] 136 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This doesn't make any sense. API requests are not proprietary.

[–] ultranaut 134 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep, this looks like a blatant abuse of the DMCA by Mazda. Either Mazda is engaging in scummy behavior or they need better lawyers. Either way, it makes me want to never buy another Mazda.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That doesn't stop anybody. Just this morning Amazon sent out a wave of C&Ds because people were using their public APIs to access "proprietary data."

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, they mad b/c of an internal skill issue.

[–] cheese_greater 15 points 1 year ago
[–] agent_flounder 41 points 1 year ago

"How dare you use our public APIs that we made available publicly for others to use!"

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

looks sternly at Amazon

Then why is it available?

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[–] agent_flounder 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It reads to me like: "this app does the same thing as our app therefore they must have copied our code; there is no other possible explanation". Cool story, bro. I hope the developers will fight back but that takes lots of money.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The article states this was a hobby of his and he won't be defending it as it would entail financial cost of mounting a legal defense.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

There goes that rigged system again.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

So what? They have more money, they decide what is legal or not.

[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I didn’t really get it until I read the article (shut up 😃), but it seems pretty clear that Mazda’s primary concern here appears to be access to this API through Home Assistant cutting off future (maybe current) owners’ requirement to subscribe to their app for features.

[–] [email protected] 91 points 1 year ago (2 children)

man, remember when you could buy a car and it wasnt connected to the internet?

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Remember when you could buy a car and it was yours?

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 24 points 1 year ago

John Deere doesn't

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago

What a load of horse shit.

Just like with hue, and Chromecast, and Android TV, and a million other smart devices, it's perfectly lawful (and IMHO necessary) for individuals to launch their own integrations with their the products they own. People don't need their bullshit "service", and by buying the vehicle they have a legally protected right to alter it and it's software for their own use.

That they bullied this guy into taking down the repo despite what the law protects him to do is disgusting, if not also predictable.

I hope someone with the time and resources goes to the matt with one of these shit companies and make them own up to their exploitative practices.

I for one will be altering my Mazda how I want and sharing my alterations to get around their shit subscription model with everyone I can.

[–] agent_flounder 38 points 1 year ago

God forbid. Wouldn't want users to find any of this useful in novel ways. Because that never makes a product popular or anything. And Mazda might lose hundreds of dollars or something. Gasp.

[–] friend_of_satan 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Pretty soon we'll have to subscribe to our car's trunk.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

BMW on the line for you, sir.

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[–] FakinUpCountryDegen 71 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Eh, it's preferable when companies go ahead and self-identify as being comprehensively dog shit and worthless.

Just another company to throw on the list who will never receive a single dollar of my money as long as I live.

Won't lose a wink of sleep over it. Good luck, Mazda.

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[–] nephs 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

DMCA is broken, intellectual property is a scam.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

It seems to be working exactly as intended. It protects the OP of the rich while not giving a shit about the poor.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't get it. People are working for free to add a feature to your product which might move more people to buy said product. Make users who use external features acknowledge some waiver that your company is not responsible for damage. If it turns out to be really good, you can fork it, hire the original inventor and turn it into a paid product. Isn't that a risk-free win? Am I missing something?

[–] ItsMeSpez 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most likely they do not appreciate people adding features to their products for free because these are features that could be sold on future models. This is why right to repair is so important.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

They probably want you to pay a subscription for extra features and homeboy went and made it free for life.

[–] elscallr 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Well then, anyone have this code archived? Time to make sure it makes it to torrent networks. The only way we render the DMCA irrelevant is to make it useless.

Make sure to keep the checksums in place.

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[–] Fades 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What a fucking joke. Let me tell you, these car OEMs are fucking SHIT at API development in general. Shit, it's a fuckin miracle when they actually have APIs. A major OEM (won't mention as it's work related for me) just recently published their APIs and MY GOD are they fucking trash, inconsistent, and throw 5xx for fucking any reason (this is absolutely NOT a small or new OEM by any fucking means... Luxury brand)

This is simply a shit company trying to punish people because of their own incompetencies when it comes to API design and management. Oh and just anti-consumer in general, just like how they attack right-to-repair at every fuckin turn possible.

FUCK capitalism, it's fucking broken; instead of ensuring that competition drives innovation we instead get.... LESS control LESS features for MORE across the board (subscriptions, anyone?). Anyone talking about the free market's inherent innovation is a FUCKING GODDAMN MORON

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So .. is there a copy of the repo left that we can replicate endlessly?

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

I'll be buying a new car soon. Fuck Mazda.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Should be legally protected and these companies should receive heavy fines for false DMCA claims

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] notannpc 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I already thought Mazda sucked and made shit products, so it’s nice that they confirmed it’s not just their products that are mediocre at best, it’s their whole business.

Edit: Turns out my long standing perception of Mazda is woefully incorrect. I could have sworn they had a string of bad reliability issues in the early 2000’s and 2010’s but it turns out that’s just plain wrong. Couldn’t tell you what I was thinking of. Leaving the OG comment to laugh at my mistake.

They can still eat a bag of dicks though for this DMCA abuse though.

[–] 5BC2E7 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Can you elaborate? All the people I know had good experiences with mazda

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[–] BilboBargains 13 points 1 year ago

This is like sueing someone for knocking on your door. Just lawyers and business vampires tripping over their own dicks.

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