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South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol warned on Wednesday that his country and its allies “will not stand idly by” if North Korea receives Russian help to boost its weapons of mass destruction – just days after the leaders of the two nuclear-armed nations held a closely watched summit.

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un traveled to Russia last week for a meeting with President Vladimir Putin. Ahead of the meeting US officials warned that the two leaders could strike a deal that would provide weapons for Moscow to use in its grueling war against Ukraine – and that could see sanction-hit Pyongyang gain access to vital Russian technology.

Speaking at the United Nations General Assembly in New York, Yoon declared: “While military strength may vary among countries, by uniting in unwavering solidarity and steadfastly adhering to our principles, we can deter any unlawful provocation.”

He also called to reform the UN Security Council – of which Russia is a member – saying such a move “would receive a broad support” if Moscow did supply Pyongyang with information in exchange for weapons.

“It is paradoxical that a permanent member of the UN Security Council, entrusted as the ultimate guardian of world peace, would wage war by invading another sovereign nation and receive arms and ammunition from a regime that blatantly violates UN Security Council resolutions,” Yoon said.

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[–] Veilus 30 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Just waiting with my popcorn to see which country actually starts WWIII. Will it be the Russians, North Korea, China, or will the underdogs of Canada/India come out ahead? Currently the first three are about at equal odds with Russia just barely coming in first. We should take bets.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Interesting that you don't think there's any chance that Trump will start WW3 in his second term.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No Trump said WW2 is due to start anytime now, OP is talking about WW3 which will happen sometime in the future when we're done with WW2...

[–] Veilus 13 points 1 year ago

Totally a possibility, I just try not to think about Trump.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure that's possible, can he count to three?

[–] MrFappy 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You aren’t wrong, but the idea of this absolutely terrifies me.

[–] Vqhm 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why?

We've pretty much been at war nonstop since WWII.

They just called it the cold war.

Cooler heads have prevailed, for the most part, for a long time. The shock and awe overwhelming force doctrine has worked when we needed it. There's questions on if it will work on a near peer in a new battle space featuring Internet, space, drones, and unconventional warfare.

It's likely a near peer would target our water and power infrastructure with hacks. It's possible many civilians could die without even using nuclear weapons from that. It's possible the Internet would never be the same afterwards.

But so far cooler heads have prevailed. The military industrial complex might be great at extracting tax dollars but the idea is that all that spending will work to prevent WWIII by being prepared to fight it.

We might have to fight that war one day. Why worry? We spend plenty of money to be prepared to do so.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Why worry?

I'm a military aged male, that's why

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

we worry because the single thing that every world war has taught us is that you are never prepared for the horror of war

we worry because no matter what, people die: its irrelevant where they’re from… we worry because people are people whether they’re american, russian, french, german, north korean, chinese, indian, or canadian and a lot of those people will die in a world wor

we worry because world food supplies will be disrupted and some of our most vulnerable people will die

there are so many reasons to worry, and worry helps avert a war that should never happen

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't think we'll have a WWWIII because a war of this magnitude there is no winner. When a war begins the country that begins the war wants to win and take the spoils, but in WWWIII there will be no spoil for anyone. The winner will fall over the defeated.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Was it Bertrand Russel who compared it to two guys covered in petrol bragging about how many matches they have?

[–] Veilus 3 points 1 year ago

I love this analogy

[–] Veilus 5 points 1 year ago

You have a point, but the world keeps getting crazier. In addition some people currently in power, and some formerly but potentially in the future as well, seem to have an "If I can't have it no one can!" Attitude

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana 4 points 1 year ago

It'll be Gambia, calling it now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Totally US after the trump re-election.

[–] Veilus 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a defeatist mentality

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

what are you talking about. I said he would win and we would win the biggest bestus most nuclearist war ever.

[–] ObamaBinLaden 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What is he going to do if they do?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Big opportunity in ukraine atm.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol warned on Wednesday that his country and its allies “will not stand idly by” if North Korea receives Russian help to boost its weapons of mass destruction – just days after the leaders of the two nuclear-armed nations held a closely watched summit.

Ahead of the meeting US officials warned that the two leaders could strike a deal that would provide weapons for Moscow to use in its grueling war against Ukraine – and that could see sanction-hit Pyongyang gain access to vital Russian technology.

He also called to reform the UN Security Council – of which Russia is a member – saying such a move “would receive a broad support” if Moscow did supply Pyongyang with information in exchange for weapons.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken echoed Yoon’s call to reform the UN Security council during his address at the UNGA, and accused Russia of seeking weapons from North Korea.

Still, the talks signaled closer relations between the two countries, both of which face international isolation – Russia for its invasion of Ukraine and North Korea for its nuclear weapons and ballistic missile program.

As the war drags on, Moscow is desperate for fresh supplies of ammunition – while North Korea ramps up its weapons testing program, eager to advance its nuclear ambitions.


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