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Tried Andor after taking a break from Star Wars and realized that the galaxy where politics is determined by magic laser sword people now wants to be serious. (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by Lauchs to c/starwarsmemes

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I remember when discussing Rogue One with my mother (who is not a big Star Wars fan), I mentioned that many felt it was out of place in the series, because it was unusually dark. To which my mother opined that the series was always dark.

In discussing it, it... honestly is. We fans sometimes overlook it, because the Original Trilogy is so triumphant in tone and grand in scale, and the Prequel Trilogy is... plagued with other problems... but Star Wars is dark in a way that original fairy tales are dark.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

An entire civilization is exterminated in the first half hour.

[–] SmoothOperator 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And Han is explicitly tortured, with Leia both tortured and enslaved. It's pretty grim.

[–] nitefox 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

2 millions troopers died on Death Star!

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That halo explosion in the remastered version? Entirely made out of people.

[–] nitefox 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Stormtroopers are robots!

Jokes aside, you don’t have to have everything explained to understand something. Yes, they didn’t show the bodies but you with a little use from logic you can see that Leia complaining about her pacific, weaponless planet being blown means it’s not desert. Same goes for the Death Star on which you see there are people until a few seconds later where it blows up. Same goes for everything.

Sure, maybe a kid won’t pick it up but that doesn’t mean Star Wars was light hearted in the OT

[–] Redditiscancer789 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It's only eye revealing if you literally aren't paying attention. Vader straight up chokes and breaks the neck of an officer, killing him, that he's interrogating on the rebel blockade runner in the first 10 minutes. Stormtroopers destroy and burn uncle owens farm and leaves his and his wife's corpses out in the open after burning them down to the skeletons. Han shooting first, Alderran is genocided by the death star, princess Leia is tortured, albeit it off screen, we get the scene of the interrogation droid with all his "toys" floating towards her before the door closes. All the pilots die including lukes best friend biggs fighting the death star except wedge luke and a few y wings, It's never been a "kids" story till arguably the prequels when Lucas secured rights to toys and went on to push story elements that could be made into toys to sell.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

But even the prequels are speaking directly to Lucas's feelings about Bush-era politics and the erosion of democracy, where the originals straight up talked about Nam and WWII. Idk, I guess I could understand the Andor hate if I hadn't had a lot of years of people trying to make Star Wars be about the space swords. No cohesive plot, no commentary, no thought provocation, just one cool moment with a space sword leading to the next cool moment with a laser gun. Andor was like "hold my beer." So refreshing.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (25 children)

What don't get is why people think something like star wars can't have different tones. It's a big universe with a big story. Just because the originals were these scifi epics doesn't mean a different story set in the universe can't be grounded and dark. Like how 40k can be really goofy and stupid but also really serious and gritty. It depends on the specific story being told within the setting. Not the setting as a whole

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Andor is probably the best star wars they've done. It has flaws, but it's so much better than Obi-Wan and Ashoka.

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[–] marcos 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The best part of Andor is that we know nothing any of them do will ever have any impact at all.

[–] Sunforged 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Stealing the plans to the Death Star so the rebellions new wizard wonder boy can one shot the thing has no impact?

[–] Wogi 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Shame about Manny Bothans though, really starting to like that character

[–] Sunforged 15 points 1 year ago

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

A friendly reminder

[–] Lauchs 5 points 1 year ago

Just like the rest of us!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (16 children)

It is just more a function of having to explain more because there is more to explain. The original trilogy feels lived in, but they only explain a small part of it because they don't have to. Eventually, you get enough world building that you have to start explaining the smaller bits.

And since the Star Wars universe has more stories including those with non-Jedi, it means having to create smaller enemies that the heroes can fight against.

[–] guacupado 2 points 1 year ago

Star Wars is one of those situations where it gets worse the more you learn about it. The original trilogy set off a trend but we see where it's now at. Kind of like watching Lost.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Hopefully Luthen gets his magic laser sword working for season 2

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

You weren’t reminded of a disturbed magic space clown every time they said “the emperor” or “papaltine”?

[–] JigglySackles 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There's nothing wrong with wanting a fantasy setting to adopt a more adult tone and intention. Having more complex plots and dialogue. I think a of of the people liking Andor are in that category. They want to see Star Wars grow up and put behind the camp and cheery kid show shit.

[–] Lauchs 1 points 1 year ago

I guess, and this is going to go down as well as most things I've said in this thread, it just seems childish. "I want my childhood stuff to grow up with me and become adult just like me!"

Beyond that, Star Wars is a goofy universe and doesn't super hold up when you try to take it seriously. (They have robots who are inexplicably terrible shots? They can move things at faster than light but only just realized that means you can fly a ship, or even just a cement block with jets, through another? Robots exist and are cheap but human manual labour seems preferable for no discernible reason?) And if you strip away the goofy fun, you're just left with Star Wars minus the Star Wars elements.

There are MANY good sci fi universes where complex plots, moral dilemmas and good dialogue exist. Those universes have been crafted to make it all work.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly I was very surprised by the success of Andor, as I really thought the early reviews back when the show only had a couple of episodes really nailed it's with the criticism of the show is slow, boring, and not Star Wars.

It doesn't even pretend to be anything resembling what I know is Star Wars until the Prison Arc and by then I'm too burned out on the terrible Heist to care.

Clearly the show has an audience, I will never understand why, and it's not like I can't handle a show with a slow burn. It's just Andor feels less like a slow burn and more like trying to keep warm with a single match during a blizzard.

[–] Lauchs 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From what I've gathered in this thread these are wrong thoughts so watch out! (Even though I'm inclined to believe you.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I was crucified so hard back on Reddit for saying this, that I loaded up Lego star wars, and set up Andor as the P2 character and just kept killing him for twenty minutes.

I don't even hate the show. I just hate all the people trying to Gaslight me into believing that I'm some kind of moron who is incapable of understanding the Brilliance of the show when in reality I understand "Empire Bad" just fine.. and also it's not exactly new information... I merely find it incredibly boring. I don't respect the show enough to hate it.

By that I mean it doesn't stir half emotions within me for me to even bother thinking about it beyond my initial impression.

Meanwhile I can tell you on every level how book of Boba Fett was a grand disappointment that served no purpose outside of assassinating the character of Boba Fett and hyping up the third season to a show that ironically I didn't watch because of how bad book of Boba Fett butchered every character not nicknamed Mando.

As for Andor, it's not even bad.

I don't mean that it's not bad, it's that I can't give an opinion on the show that doesn't also apply to watching paint dry, because that is also defined by the three fundemental remarks slow, boring, and not Star Wars.

[–] Lauchs 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

set up Andor as the P2 character and just kept killing him for twenty minutes.

Ahahaha

As for Andor, it's not even bad. I don't mean that it's not bad, it's that I can't give an opinion on the show that doesn't also apply to watching paint dry, because that is also defined by the three fundemental remarks slow, boring, and not Star Wars.

Brutal! But, based on the handful of episodes I watched, on point. Just such a weird choice. "You know that universe, famous for laser sword fights, exciting space battles and dialogue that winks at the camera? Let's strip out all that joy and make a not particularly well written serious drama there!"

I basically agree with you on Boba Fett but I have to admit, getting super baked and (spoilers) watching him destroy stuff while riding a goddamn rancor was like watching my childhood sandbox dreams come to life.

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