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Been out of work for a while so buying books is out the question (yeah, I get there's always the library, but I don't like it for a lot of reasons).

I like how PG has free books. I realize I'm not going to find top-tier modern writers on PG, but I'm open to suggestions of good reads.

What I look for in sci fi:

  • An idea to chew on; something that stays with me even after I turn the last page.
  • Some emotional intrigue; I want to feel what the characters feel.

What I like to avoid:

  • Technobabble. I like a good story; I don't want to spend half the book understanding how the ship works. (I found Frank Herbet was good with avoiding technobabble...he often obeyed the rule of "show don't tell")

  • Stock characters. Gimme some depth.

A few I've read so far that I'd consider "passable" are Off on a Comet by Jules Vern (I only listen to about 2/3 of this on librivox) and Space Prison by Tom Godwin (although the plot is pretty simplistic).

I just finished Frankenstein. A lot of people think its The Greatest Novel. It was kinda meh. I see why people would get excited about it, but it didn't grab me like it does other people.

Any suggestions?

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[–] dominiquec 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Project Gutenberg has a pretty good science fiction selection, quite extensive in fact that I think it's better to go by author than by individual works.

For the "classics" there's H.G. Wells and Edgar Rice Burroughs, aside from Verne and Shelley whom you've already mentioned.

There are some surprising names, too, like Jack London, E.M. Forster, and Rudyard Kipling.

For golden age scifi: Frederic Brown, E.E. "Doc" Smith, CM Kornbluth, Jack Williamson, Frederic Pohl, Olaf Stapledon, and Andre Norton. Also, Robert E. Howard and H.P. Lovecraft.

For your criteria, though, I would recommend looking for the works of Philip K. Dick and H. Beam Piper.

[–] PlanetOfOrd 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks, I'll look into those.

[–] Sertou 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Space Viking by H. Beam Piper. Ignore the pulpy sounding title. It’s a good novel with real scope.

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/20728

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have not read this yet thanks. I did not realize PG has a bunch of H. Beam Piper

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/8301

[–] PlanetOfOrd 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks. Downloaded it to my library.

[–] DrakeRichards 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s been a long time since I read it, but I remember liking City of Endless Night.

[–] PlanetOfOrd 2 points 1 year ago

Bookmarked!

[–] PlanetOfOrd 1 points 1 year ago

Oh, yeah, I've read Lincoln Child before. Utopia. I don't remember much of it. I think I classified it as "OK but forgettable." But in researching that was his very first novel, so his later stuff might be better.

[–] rtbravo 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Edgar Rice Burroughs' John Carter books are public domain. They've got those on Project Gutenberg, but they may be too much "stock characters" for you.

Would some of the Lewis Carroll stuff scratch the "science fiction" itch?

It's a bit of a stretch, but Mark Twain's Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court at least has the character development. And, strictly speaking, it is time travel. ;)

Finally, if quasi-fantasy and mythopeia do anything for you, there are things like George Macdonald's Phantastes and G. K. Chesterton's The Man Who Was Thursday. Both those authors were influences on C. S. Lewis. But we're really straying away from anything that's strictly science fiction there.

[–] PlanetOfOrd 2 points 1 year ago

Good suggestions! Yeah, I'm one of those folks that likes nuance, so anything that science fiction-y is totally fine. One thing I like to read (and write, since I also write short stories) is exploration of the fantastical. Something out of the ordinary to give a different perspective on the human experience.

[–] PlanetOfOrd 1 points 1 year ago

And someone else on mastodon actually suggested The Man Who was Thursday as well. 2 chapters in. So far I'm intrigued.

[–] philgraves 5 points 1 year ago

Three books I can happily recommend:

A Princess of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs One of the many influences on Star Wars https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/62

Gladiator by Philip Wylie Supposedly an influence on the creation of Superman and modern superheroes https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/42914

Flatland by Edwin Abbott Abbott Philosophical and mathematical and kinda touching all at once https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/201

And while not sci-fi, if you're into superheroes, Scarlet Pimpernel and Zorro are fun early secret-identify stories:

The Scarlet Pimpernel by Baroness Emmuska Orczy https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/60

Mark of Zorro https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/61620

[–] TheMissingBit 4 points 1 year ago

I would suggest looking for books on Standard Ebooks as well. They take transcribed books from Project Gutenberg and other similar sites and format them to display very nicely on ebook readers.

Project Gutenberg is great, but their focus is more on reproducing a printed product whereas StandardEbooks is focused on producing ebooks that are pleasant to read.

[–] solrize 4 points 1 year ago

This is one of my favorites. I leave it to you to decide if it is really science fiction.

Despoilers of the Golden Empire by Randall Garrett

[–] BrerChicken 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can we talk more about your aversion to libraries? You can get great digital and audio books, and I don't see a big difference getting a digital book from the library versus downloading one from PG. Is it an app issue?

[–] PlanetOfOrd 3 points 1 year ago

I'm not against libraries. It's just that I prefer reading physical books. But with a library it's a lot of stress to remember the due date (although I usually finish books long before the due date), and it does make me slightly uncomfortable that the library keeps a record of every book read (I'm sure it sounds paranoid, but I also know on here I'm in good company. lol). While my reading material isn't anything noteworthy it just makes me uncomfortable.

So I prefer raiding Good Will or bargain book stores for secondhand books. No due date, no record that I bought it (since I pay in cash, although I'm sure if you're really desperate you can look at security cam footage when I bought the books and cross-reference). But since I can't afford that I figured I could make do with digital books until I can afford to buy books again.

[–] WhoRoger 3 points 1 year ago

I wanted to suggest Jules Verne in the first place. I still do. Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Seas is still one of my favorite things ever.

Hm are Asimov and Heinlein on PB?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isaac Asimov is great. His stuff isnt really on project Gutenberg, but it is on the internet archive: https://archive.org/details/the-complete-asimov-by-isaac-asimov

[–] PlanetOfOrd 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks. I did read one of his novels a while ago (not i-robot, but I forget the name of it). I was kind of bored by his novel, TBH. But if I may give it a second go at some point.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Thats fair, it might not be your thing. asimov definetly has a unique flavor to his writing.

Good luck on the search :)

[–] boredtortoise 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Library Genesis is also a good source for ebooks

[–] PlanetOfOrd 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks! Bookmarked. Kind of on the fence about the ethics of that one, though.

The site enables free access to content that is otherwise paywalled or not digitized elsewhere.

If something isn't free I don't like to find a way to make it free since that devalues it (for me and for others). Obviously if it's free / in the public domain, that's one thing. But I might see if there's stuff on there that's public domain but not on Gutenberg.

[–] boredtortoise 2 points 1 year ago

Sure. Sometimes it's a handy way to get something on your preferred reader that is otherwise blocked by DRM

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A book I really enjoyed was Space Prison

Looks like it was published in 1958. The title sounds pulpy but it is more then that.

[–] PlanetOfOrd 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, thank you. I mentioned it above as one that I read. Technically, it was on audio book. Wasn't that in-depth but I was entertained. I was actually working a full-time job at the time. I listened to the entire book during my shift. After walking out for the day I had to remember, "oh yeah, a millennium didn't pass, only 8 hours. 😆"

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