This doesn't seem to discriminate between people who choose not to own a car and people who can't afford to own a car.
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Proud to live in the absolute lowest car-owning city. And I’m honestly surprised that it’s almost half! So few people who I know own cars. But there are big outer areas that are basically suburbs and I assume the ownership is higher there.
I’m sure there’s a huge variation by borough.
Where the hell do you think Detroit is
Also this is partially a map of “who can’t afford a car”
Yea, depending on the city, it's definitely about wealth. I think that was their intention by listing the median household income.
Its North of Canada, those Journey assholes need to look at a map.
The framing about wealth is so gross to me. I don't want a car.
The title could be cities with good vs bad city planning. All the green cities are designed to force people to use cars, because they made everything so spread out with little to no public transportation. The red cities are built properly with public transportation to help people get around.
Or bad vs worse city planning. I was surprised to see so many upstate NY cities on the low car ownership list. They do have some public transport but can still be pretty tough without a car. Though they've all had some efforts to rein in some failed urban renewal projects like bulldozing unnecessary freeways, and some attempts at improving walking and biking experiences.
I imagine that it has to do with the age of those cities. They were established before cars, so the older parts were designed to get around easier. At least that's what I assume, because virtually all the cities with low car ownership are in New England.
Have you been to Los Angeles? It's not so much that it was poorly designed as it is that it just never stopped growing. Los Angeles county is 4753 square miles.
Yeah, I went on a road trip a long time ago. I remember it was almost all highway with tons of cars without a good public transport system. They knew they were growing and could have held off the heavy traffic with commuter trains and a substantial public transport system.
Sure there's a system already in place in LA, though I'm sure there's room for improvement.
The city I'm in is listed (more car ownership) and I'm fairly confident the same reason for all of those higher ownership cities is the same.
Northeastern cities grew before the advent of the car and needed mass transit to function.
No one wanted to sweat their butts off in southern cities, so those only grew after residential air conditioning became more available. This was around the 50's and tracks with when these cities expanded.
Because the predominant mode of transportation at the time was cars, you have cities that were developed that way with the interstate highway program helping.
Lastly, General Motors also put their hand in there to ensure more sales (in multiple cities). There's a good documentary on what they did in Los Angeles. The folks of that city can thank GM every time they waste away on the 405.
The film Chinatown was originally supposed to be part of a trilogy of corruption in early Los Angeles. Chinatown was about water, The Two Jakes was about oil, and a third film about transportation that was never produced.
While the third film was never fully realized, Robert Zemeckis used the idea as inspiration for Who Framed Rodger Rabbit. Rodger Rabbit is a neo-noir set in early LA, at one point Bob Hodkins says something along the lines of "Don't you know LA has the best public transit in the world!"
Here is an article by one of the cited sources covering a lot more cities. Was quite surprised to see Minneapolis at number 36 and Portland at number 45, as those areas are quite well known for having good cycling infrastructure in the US.
Makes sense for AZ. It takes about 3hrs to drive from Queen Creek to Buckeye (that’s going east to west in Phoenix). And neither of those suburbs/towns have bus routes. Farthest east you can take the bus is Chandler/Mesa and the farthest west is Avondale, you’re still 30-45min away from Queen Creek and about 15 from Buckeye. The farthest north is Peoria which is still the inner city, not sure about south because no one goes to south Phoenix lmao (iykyk).
And it's hotter than hell in Phx. Even if you can take the bus, waiting for a bus when it's 110 is less than ideal, as is walking to or from the bus stop with groceries. I'm surprised Phoenix and all its suburbs weren't on this list, especially given how spread out everything is in Phx.
I'm surprised you didn't make low vehicle ownership green and high vehicle ownership pollution-colored.
I live in a relatively small city in Europe and have not even wished I had a car the past 5 years. Trams, buses and trains take me to where I need to be. For everyday grocery shopping I can just walk 15 min.
U.P. fuckers stole Detroit, can't have shit in Detroit
The city with the third highest percent of car ownership taking home less household income than the city with the lowest percent of car ownership is a surprise.
What a surprise
Kansas City just got shit on
This isn't surprising if you've ever been to these cities. It is almost impossible to exist without a car in the green areas, and it's almost impossible to exist with a car in the purple cities..
Many many more cities could be green, but aren't because people too poor to have a car live there. The green cities are not unique at all in there car needs only in their lack of poverty.
Buffalo is so much fun. Plus, their public transport is crappy, and Amtrak service is not as good as it should be.
Used to live in Rochester and public transport was cheap af. Sure, Amtrak is always late, but you don’t use that to get around town
When you're visiting the finger lakes, or going to Toronto, it's kind of important.
The biggest reson for this is probably area density...the areas with fewest cars per capita are the places where things are geographically condensed,which makes public transport a viable alternative. Most southern cities are simply too spread out for public trans to be economically viable, and so having more vehicles is more pertinent.
While density is helpful ,US suburbs can support great transit for less than the cost of their cars. However they can't support bad transit, or even okay transit.
IE cities being in the top 25 is unsurprising but Murietta being #1 is wild. Totally makes sense tho if anyone has been in that area