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Hatred often makes you want to hurt people, but people hurt peope in the name of greed more often, and not only with less potential for guilt, but is often the cause of delusional accolades and reassurance both from within oneself and from others.

Hypothetical:

A CEO lays off 10,000 employees that helped that company succeed, solely to increase earnings and not because the company is hurting, not only seriously hurting 9,997 people, but causing 3 to commit suicide.

A bumpkin gets in a fight with someone he hates the melanin of because he's a moron and kills them.

Who did more damage to humanity that day? They're both, I want to say evil but evil is subjective, they're both highly antisocial, knowingly harmful behaviors, yet one correctly sends you to prison for a long time if not forever, while the other, far more premeditated and quite literally calculated act, is literally rewarded and partied about. Jim Kramer gives you a shout out on tv, good fucking times amirite!

Edit: and this felt relevant to post after someone tried to lecture me about equating layoffs to murder.

"Coca-Cola killed trade unionists in Latin America. General Motors built vehicles known to catch fire. Tobacco companies suppressed cancer research. And Boeing knew that its planes were dangerous. Corporations don't care if they kill people — as long as it's profitable."

https://jacobin.com/2020/01/corporations-profit-values-murder-culture-boeing

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As much as it is necessary, greed is something very abstract and extremely difficult to prove in courts.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 3 points 1 year ago

I mean since we're making up arbitrary numbers why doesn't that bumpkin have a handy firearm? Should raise their number to more than 3.

[–] thecam 2 points 1 year ago (58 children)

Interesting thought. However greed is part of human nature, since we humans like to get as much resources as possible.

[–] TootSweet 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

greed is part of human nature

Bullshit. For a couple hundred thousand years humans kept only what they could carry on their backs. And that only counts homo sapiens sapiens. We only started staying in one place and amassing surplus in the last fifteen thousand years and yet there are people saying "greed is part of human nature."

It's the greedy who somehow managed to sell us that propaganda. Greed is a mental illness.

I don't agree with OP. I don't think more punishments are the way to fix things. But neither is gestures broadly the best we can do.

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[–] bouh 2 points 1 year ago

Greed has been made the only power/drive of society. That's why. Capitalism is as bad as sith, it's just a different driver.

[–] simin 2 points 1 year ago

not sure if related but a lot of ancient cultures have many rules to hold back envy for a more stable society. they can be very exterme leading to say the recent mask protest in iran but current culture might be the other extreme so to speak.

[–] BeautifulPain 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] AllonzeeLV 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I disagree, that implies that greedy people care about the people they hurt when that isn't the case, and in fact the opposite is true.

Someone who hates another or others is emotional and passionate about them. They care about how those people are doing, in that they care if they're suffering and want it to be so.

Capitalists don't tend to operate on the basis of hatred at all, it's worse in my opinion, they operate on the absense of caring about how their actions affect others, which is sociopathy. They either are or work hard to conduct themselves as sociopaths, only concerned with themselves, and only sees others as disposable means to facilitate their material desires, with their only fears being personal repurcussians for their antisocial acts, not the actual harm they inflict.

A Nazi that hates Jewish people sees the Jewish people's torment or destruction as their desired goal, their endgame.

A capitalist that kills people through negligence did so to increase profits by cutting safety corners hoping not to get caught, their focus is on getting more money, they likely have no strong emotions whatsoever for the peope they killed, those people's deaths were a "just business" means to the goal of pocketing more money.

Greed's destructiveness comes out of apathy/indifference of the effect ones greedy actions have on others, the opposite of where hatred's destructiveness comes from, hyperfixation on the suffering of others as the goal.

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