The more everyone goes at this guy, and the more he comes out unscathed, the more he seems untouchable. Blah.
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Hold his ass in contempt and issue a warrant for his arrest already, you goddamn judicial muppets. It's going to come down to that anyway - might as well yank the band-aid off before it festers.
Seriously. The judge is worried about the political fallout of doing anything as drastic as like, his job. It could be a real political rallying point, if a judge gets retaliated against. But that might make it hard for the judge to maintain his current lifestyle, and so we just make more concessions to the group committed to destroying even the illusory veil of justice and freedom.
Absolutely feckless and cowardly
Not just him, everyone that can be demonstrated as being part of this. We don't just need to deal with Trump (we do) but there are a lot of other people involved too.
I'm not sure he can and I think the judge isn't sure either.
I think this might be another one of those things where we were relying on the people electing someone reasonable.
Their goal isn't to answer and prove why they need to do it, their goal is to stall as long as possible because they don't even believe in what they're fighting for beyond furthering Trump's agenda
Two words:
Or what?
As long as judges don't have an answer for that, they will continue to be brushed off, ignored, misled, and outright lied to by Trump and his team. And right now, I haven't seen any judges putting forth any answers. The reality of the situation is that judges really don't have an answer for that (mostly because the Supreme Court gave Trump all but blanket immunity), but they cannot say it without admitting that they actually have no real power at all. There's literally nothing stopping Trump from telling this judge or any other judge to go pound sand.
The court system is not going to help us. And at the rate things are going, midterm elections are not going to help us. Military intervention is simply not going to happen. Congress is not going to intervene. The one and only thing that we have to hope for is that voters in heavy red districts eventually get so sick of seeing the leopards eating their faces that they actually start to threaten their own Congressmen even more than the MAGA crowd currently does. That's it. They have already repeatedly gone on record (anonymously, but repeatedly) and have said that it is fear that stops them from speaking against Trump. Their voters have to make them even more afraid not to.
the Supreme Court gave Trump all but blanket immunity
Even "better," they gave blanket immunity to a person who has the power to give blanket immunity for federal crimes. Anything the SCROTUS is willing to consider an "official act" by the president carries no consequences whatsoever for him OR anyone doing his bidding.
While true, in theory (not practice) Congress/Senate would remove the president for not abiding the judges conclusion. The fact that they haven't voted to remove him after 2 weeks shows the constitution (law of the land) is no more.
The state should just wrap all federal buildings in their state with crime scene tape and say it's a state crime to cross it. 10 years in prison no exception without permission to cross!
If you live in a red state, you can call your legislators.
You can lie to them and say you're a republican voter.
It's not like they don't lie to you.
If you live in a blue state, call a red state legislator and tell them you’re one of their constituents and voters. The whole system is bullshit anyway.
To be fair, phone call records would show how many of those calls actually came from out of the district or state.
We already have Johnson and other apologists already framing the town hall incidents as a bunch of Democrat rabble-rousers pretending to be Republicans. The last thing we need to give them is proof that Democrats are doing just that.
Having an out of state cell phone as your only number can't be ruled out. They'll ignore you anyway though.
Or what? The court issues a bench warrant and demands their presence which they can do to literally anyone who isn't the president.
The rest is on law enforcement to have enough balls to do as their profession demands.
And when said person tells the courts to go fuck themselves, backed by a President willing to issue a pardon?
That's contempt and a president can't pardon you for that. You'd be at risk for 179 days in county and huge fines that also cannot be pardoned and it goes to judicial tribunal for appeal.
That’s contempt and a president can’t pardon you for that. You’d be at risk for 179 days in county and huge fines that also cannot be pardoned and it goes to judicial tribunal for appeal.
You continue to think Trump cares about the rule of law.
He'll demand the lawyer's release. Judge will say no. He'll sue. At most, we'll get some appelate ruling that says he's not going to dismiss the contempt charge, but he is going to let the laywer walk free while the case proceeds. It'll go up to the Supreme Court where they'll just rule that contempt charges are pardonable, then it'll all go away. Have you not been paying attention for the past month? The guy does not care about the rule of law, the Supreme Court already ruled that he doesn't have to, and Congress isn't going to do a damn thing about it.
These people weren't willing to hold Trump to account when he was a private citizen? WTF makes you think they're going to do anything to him while he's POTUS? This isn't the only judge that has been trying to push back on Trump's bullshit. But the only thing they've managed to do so far is to reissue their court orders while adding the legalese equivalent of "pretty please". Show me where these judges are threatening actual consequences for these actions and somebody actually willing to enforce them. Because all I've seen is a bunch of judges making empty threats, Trump saying "Fuck you, and what are you going to do about it", and a whole bunch of people with a whole lot of nothing for answers.
I don't actually. I think the judiciary is quite capable of killing a presidency let alone a president.
Appeals courts have exactly zero to do with contempt the only ones who can deal with that are other judges. Again it has nothing to do with the guy and everything to do with other branches of government fighting to keep their power so they aren't expendable.
And yet you're knowingly basing crazy arguments of ignorance from empty words.
Then it still comes down to whether the cops will actually do their job and arrest said person or not. If they will, then that person rots in prison for contempt of court, which isn't something Trump can pardon
Until he does anyway and the Supreme Court says he can.
Your statement assumes that prior laws and norms still matter when the person you're talking about is actively shitting on those laws to the thunderous applause of the other branches of government.
And if nobody was willing to arrest Trump when he was a private citizen committing crimes on the daily, what makes you think they're going to do it to one of Trump's lapdogs when the man is literally the President of the United States and the Supreme Court has already said he can pretty much do what he wants?
It's a Federal Judge, so they can ignore the bench warrant and get a pardon.
They cannot. Us Marshalls don't give a good goddamn about a pardon you can only get after the fact. Post facto pardons are a legal question that isn't fully answered but most sources say it's criminal conspiracy which no the president couldn't be charged with but literally any and every state could charge whomever one by one at the state level.
US Marshals report to the DOJ, which is part of the executive branch, all Trump needs to do is instruct the DOJ to stand down.
A. Technically yes but in practice no. They're enforcement specifically at the behest of the judiciary, they are wildly unconcerned about whatever bullshit any other LE agency is up to and for that matter the executive branch as a whole.
B. They're the least political enforcement agency, they'll tell him to fuck himself because the oath to the constitution comes first.
C. They literally swear to ignore politics and execute whatever executive process is before them.
D. They've had armed standoffs with other three letter agencies specifically about not doing their job, after Ruby ridge they go out of their way to not be seen as biased or political.
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You have to put him in a cell
That behavior sounds very contemptuous.
the lawyer knows he's about to get slapped hard by the court. he also knows admitting that Trump and Co has yet to actually do anything the courts ordered is going to get him disbarred
Trump not complying shouldn’t get him disbarred, but he should resign before trump does something that actually gets him disbarred.
It will if he doesn't resign, though. And this guy is now between a rock and a hard place. I don't know if his decisions put him there (IE he coudl be a career civil servant trying to negotiate this bullshit) but so far, it seems like he's towing the Trump Party Line.
How does the lawyers bar status tied to a client's compliance with a spurt order?
Essentially, if a client doesn’t follow a judges orders (the client is the US gov,) and the lawyer can’t get them to comply, they’re supposed to drop the case (and probably the client,)(in this case, that would likely mean a resignation.)
If the lawyer doesn’t…. They’re on the hook and the first step is their license to practice (yeeting that is called “disbarring”).
The reputation harm from this saga is huge- I wouldn’t want to hire a guy so blithely and publicly pissing off a judge.
The reality is he’s likely found himself between a rock and a hard place and is stuck. But lawyers who help their clients break the law …. Don’t stay lawyers. Look at nearly every lawyer who has worked for trump.
That is something, a small something. I’m getting really skeptical over checks and balances, the constitution, fundamental corruption and graft, government by tantrum and spite ….. but at least this is getting to the point of making that lawyer regret his choices. He’s likely to discover the emphasis on “loyalty” is only one way
He also probably thinks that he is going to get a cushy job for his sacrifice. Hopefully Trump refuses to pay in the end, like normal, and this guy speaks out after getting screwed.
He'll write a book and go on tour, gotta cash in.
Hopefully, he ends up homeless.
Speaks out to what end? It won't change the minds of anyone still in trump's good graces. It'll give us something to laugh at, that's about it.
What's that thing called where the court determines you are a petty asshole and can't file things without judicial review? Can we apply that to the government?
A vexatious litigant
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