this post was submitted on 27 Jul 2023
181 points (80.1% liked)

Showerthoughts

29851 readers
1142 users here now

A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. A showerthought should offer a unique perspective on an ordinary part of life.

Rules

  1. All posts must be showerthoughts
  2. The entire showerthought must be in the title
  3. Avoid politics
    • 3.1) NEW RULE as of 5 Nov 2024, trying it out
    • 3.2) Political posts often end up being circle jerks (not offering unique perspective) or enflaming (too much work for mods).
    • 3.3) Try c/politicaldiscussion, volunteer as a mod here, or start your own community.
  4. Posts must be original/unique
  5. Adhere to Lemmy's Code of Conduct

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
all 41 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] dulce_3t_decorum_3st 59 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think the point is that the cover is never guaranteed to accurately represent the book.

Quality of cover =/= quality of book

[–] RGB3x3 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Although, I'll never buy a book where the author's name is in bigger, bolder font than the title of the book.

I hate that trend in cover design and I refuse to support it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

DEAN KOONTZ
Newbury Award Winner
New York Time Best-Seller
The Lake Boat
First time in paperback!
With a Foreward by David Baldacci

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this still a thing? I thought this was mostly popular in the 90s and dropped out of popularity in the last couple decades.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Definitely still see it for Stephen King at least, but frankly I'd be creeped out if I saw his name small at this point...

[–] givesomefucks 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, the point of a book cover is to sell the book...

[–] netvor 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The point of a book cover is to cover the book.

[–] givesomefucks 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's the point of a dust jacket.

[–] themeatbridge 1 points 1 year ago

I thought the point of the dust jacket is to make books look shabby when they get crinkled and torn, so you can take it off and find a perfectly serviceable cover underneath.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s one of the purposes of a cover, you could achieve it without any design effort.

But that’s not the point, not the main purpose of a book cover. Your previous poster is right, the cover is advertising the book.

[–] ngdev 1 points 1 year ago

The "cover art***" sells it, then. They were trying to be funny I think lol

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago

Maybe, the point still stands. I've read awesome books with boring covers and vice versa. Its really a good saying that does apply to most areas in life.

[–] scarabic 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. Some are richly designed to showcase the book contents and others are not. That’s the entire point! It’s not the books with fancy covers that are always the best. You could find a plain cover copy of The Hobbit in your local library next to another copy that is oversized with a gold-embossed cover and an amazing painting showing the party of 14 plus a Wizard huddled on a mountaintop against the storm…

…and they’re still the same book.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

My copy of The Hobbit is really weird it's just leather and says The Hobbit in gold inset writing.

Absolutely nothing on the back, or even a barcode.

Really old books tend not to have covered designs that seems to be a relatively modern phenomenon.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Yes, but you still don't know if the content is good or bad.

[–] miraclerandy 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My go-to phrase now is , “don’t judge a book by its movie.”

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What they did to Foundation should be a crime.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The made interesting and visually engaging? Oh and soandso is a black woman now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, clearly racism is the biggest reason to hate the Apple TV version. Not that the writers didn't understand the point of the books and turned Asimov's original thoughts on society into magic and mysticism.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It wasn't when the idiom was coined. Have you seen hard-bound books from the 19th century in libraries?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

didn't most books look the same back then?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe book covers should be auto-generated from the entire text fed to an AI artist

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I run Stable Diffusion on my computer, can you think of a relatively short novella to try this with? I have no idea what the limit for tokens is. To really "tech bro" it up we could feed it to an AI summarizer first.

[–] optissima 1 points 1 year ago

This seems most appropriate just have it generate one for each short story.

[–] Lemmylefty 7 points 1 year ago

Unless they’re “as seen in the hit TV show!” in which case it’s okay to tear those covers off.

[–] Decimit 6 points 1 year ago

It was very true for movies in the 80s. The cover would sometimes not have anything to do with the movie at all. Horror and sci-fi movies would show monsters that never appeared in the movie.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It’s not though. Books can, but don’t always, misrepresent themselves on the cover. Just like people.

It’s not saying that book covers always lie, it’s saying that you shouldn’t take everything at face value and you should think for yourself.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I don't know aye, I have read some books that were amazing. Although the cover was really, really bad.

[–] Rhynoplaz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm going to say it's like a chicken and egg scenario.

It's recommended that you don't judge a thing or a person based on a quick glance. That's good advice.

Book covers are designed specifically to be judged at a quick glance because they know that's what people do, despite the advice they were given.

[–] ngdev 2 points 1 year ago

I think it's also true in reverse. Like if the book cover looks really cool but the story is hot garbage.

[–] netvor 2 points 1 year ago

I recently bought a book which spoke to me by its cover and it was one of the best books I've read in ages. And I still love the cover almost as I love the book.

But then there are books where I really disliked the cover but they are still great to have and full of useful information. (Most of these are non-fiction..)

I think the idiom misses the mark: judging is just one part of it. Being aware that lot of your judgments are going to be wrong, especially if you use only one source of information -- that is much more useful thing to keep in mind.

However, adages are (like) memes---the best ones don't always win.

[–] hiramfromthechi 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Whenever there's a "don't judge" statement, I always remember this post from Tyler The Creator.

Due to primal instincts, it's inevitable that we judge. So judge, but don't discriminate. Seems like a good system to me. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–] scarabic 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds like that uses a loaded connotation of the word discriminate. That word really just means to differentiate things from each other or discern distinct things.

I think a better way to say it would be: “judge, but don’t pre-judge.”

As long as you’re actually judging evidence in front of you, great. If you’re making shortcuts to judgments using superficial cues, that’s where you run into trouble.

[–] hiramfromthechi 1 points 1 year ago

That's a good way of putting it.

[–] ethman42 2 points 1 year ago

I was told that the rest of the saying is “but it’s a good place to start.”

[–] croobat 1 points 1 year ago

Lolita would like a word with you.

[–] Merulox 1 points 1 year ago

In real life, regardless of what people like to say there is more often than not a correlation.

Only, you shouldn’t take those for facts and shouldn’t make assumptions.