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[–] Protoknuckles 170 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Strong people build others up. Weak people knock them down to feel big. You want to feel like a strong man? Protect others and be generous with your spirit.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

You want to feel like a strong man? Protect others and be generous with your spirit.

Fucking this. Strong men—strong peoplehelp others. Healthy or not, realistic or not, this is the message that’s been sold to us since time immemorial. The knight that slays the dragon and saves the kingdom. The alien that crash lands and moonlights as a superhero. The sled dog runs 261 miles to bring the medicine to a town beset by an epidemic.

Yes, sure, one can argue some romanticism (or propaganda) with any given example. But the overall message of heroism, of strength, is not one of selfishness or of “me and mine”.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Heroism is something we ought to focus more on as a culture in general. Doing things simply because they are right and protecting others who cannot protect themselves cannot be understated.

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[–] ummthatguy 37 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Semi-related, as this reminded me of a quote from Cary Grant:

I pretended to be somebody I wanted to be and I finally became that person. Or he became me.

This was then repurposed on Star Trek Strange New Worlds by chief engineer Pelia (from a species that lives several centuries):

Most heroes I've seen... are just pretending half the time. There's this one guy I remember, he said to me, 'I always pretended to be someone I wanted to be, until finally, I became that someone, or he became me.'

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[–] HexesofVexes 147 points 5 days ago (5 children)

How to really feel like a man

  1. Ignore gender wars bait, there are way more important things out there.
  2. See step 1
[–] [email protected] 55 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Yeah, first time hearing "a man wants to feel like a man"

My first interpretation was a bunch of guys fighting with sticks and everyone having a blast

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Just waiting for the day when someone can explain to me what makes a man a man without describing skills, qualities, and actions that anyone can do regardless of gender.

And don't tell me it's "have a penis", because if that were true then effeminate men wouldn't be insulted all the time for not being "real" men, and there wouldn't be toxic masculinity.

[–] FlyingSquid 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm a man because I say I'm a man and fuck anyone who tells me otherwise.

And that applies to anyone with any gender. Because it's not about anyone but that person.

[–] Jumi 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Otherwise

Now fuck me please

[–] FlyingSquid 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I never said I would be doing the fucking.

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[–] 4grams 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I’ve always thought the least manly quality you can have is caring about how manly you are.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago (3 children)

From somebody named "geekandmisandry".

[–] Shardikprime 10 points 5 days ago

That just shows you how impartial they are to the whole thing

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 5 days ago (1 children)

A patient I dealt with had schizophrenia and dementia, "but I'm a man, not a little girl with panties" was his counterargument to everything.

You can only have one cigarette at a time because otherwise you lose them all and run out. "But I'm a man."

You know the doctor says your food needs to be cut up. "Do I look like a little girl to you?"

That's the communal cheese bowl, this is your plate. You can't eat from the communal cheese bowl with a fork. "Do you see me wearing panties?"

Whenever I hear people making these kind of gender essentialist arguments, they just sound pitiably out of touch with reality to me.

[–] danny801 40 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Have you asked him how often he thinks about wearing women's underwear?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's potentially worthwhile with someone who is cognizant but just an asshole. For someone with dementia, there's no point

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 days ago

In my head I made many cutting remarks. But the reality of this level of cognitive decline is like 90% miserably depressing and only like 10% infuriating. Plus he wouldn't be capable of understanding the criticism anyway.

[–] edgemaster72 45 points 5 days ago (25 children)

Just change King to also say man.

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[–] finitebanjo 54 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

If Men want to feel like Men then they have ways to deal with their insecurity:

Redo their own plumbing, twice. Once to change things and again to fix the problem they caused.

Chop firewood.

Build a furnace that you're only going to use like 4 times, ever.

50 pushups. If not reaching it makes you sad, start skipping numbers.

[–] very_well_lost 50 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Redo their own plumbing, twice. Once to change things and again to fix the problem they caused.

I'm in this comment and I don't like it.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago (5 children)

With the plumbing example, the first time was a training exercise and doesn't count.

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[–] Maggoty 20 points 5 days ago (2 children)

If not reaching it makes you sad, ~~start skipping numbers~~ forgive yourself and repeat tomorrow. You'll feel awesome when you get there.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I thought "feeling like a man" meant eating a lot of meat and losing money on sports betting.

Idk I don't do traditional man things.

[–] Zron 11 points 4 days ago

I do do traditional man things: woodworking, maintenance on the family vehicles, and I’ve been thinking of getting into machining as a hobby because I have a lot of hand-me-down yard equipment that’s showing its age and I might need to start making my own parts because eBay is looking kind of barren.

Anyway, none of these activities have ever made me feel “manly” I never understood what that means. I feel like myself doing either something I enjoy, or something that needs to be done. My wife always says that she likes that she married such a manly guy who can fix all this stuff and make furniture, but anyone with functioning hands and a brain can do this stuff, it’s not exactly hard. Having a penis doesn’t make you an expert carpenter or mediocre mechanic, working with wood and old engines does that.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago (1 children)

When first reading "a man likes to feel like a man", i thought it was about trans men

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[–] Aceticon 22 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

That's the perfect answer, IMHO.

More in general, it's not up to others to change the way they act to feed somebody else's self-delusions of having some kind of quality they do not have.

I've actually had to deal with something somewhat parallel to this when I moved from The Netherlands (whose people are known for being blunt) to Britain (were everything is sugarcoated and people are evasive, the higher the social class the worst it gets) and then proceeded to go around unknowingly insulting just about every insecure person I met in that place by giving them my blunt opinion on what they cared about, without evasiveness or sugarcoating.

The balance I found was to stop giving my opinion unless asked and if asked by somebody who didn't know my ways yet, give them a notice ("I used to live in The Netherlands so just point out ways in which things can be improved, but that doesn't mean I think they're bad") and then proceed to give them my blunt opinion.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I've never heard anyone say that phrase, is it possible that people use that expression to mean "a man likes to feel like a man... not a machine"? Ie he has thoughts, emotions, and priorities. He is not a commodity, his worth is more than just profit he can produce.

Not that women don't also have those attributes, just that "man" is being used as an outdated shorthand for humanity.

[–] abysmalpoptart 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

I'm not sure how i feel about the post altogether. I mean, i understand that toxic masculinity is bad, but this post needs some assumptions and context to make me want to side with it. For example, if I saw some guy just kinda minding his business doing silly guy stuff and the context was he wants to "feel like a man," i don't think i would be offended or concerned?

r/justguysbeingdudes comes to mind

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 days ago (46 children)

I'm stumped at the simple task of trying to imagine what does imply to "feel like a man".

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 days ago (3 children)

You listen to Shania Twain’s hit Man! I Feel Like A Woman backwards

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Is this a real thing? I don't believe I've ever encountered this. I suspect they're actually being demeaning to men in general, or men who don't fit their idea of masculinity. I've encountered people like that. Though the opposite is more common (men, and women, demeaning women who don't fit their idea of what a woman should be like, or just demeaning women in general).

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[–] Mango 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Did the first person just translate "like a man" as "superior to you"? They done failed their own little word game.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Only if you're completely unwilling to unpack what things like "be a man" and "like a man" generally mean in the anglosphere, and how phrases like that have often been employed to reinforce the worst and most destructive aspects of masculinity.

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[–] AgentOrangesicle 18 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Just don't cast shit on a man that's had enough of it from his work or society. Sometimes we just want to feel human.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

And if i have to pretend that your ass looks good for you to feel good about your ass, your ass doesn’t look good.

Now let’s get past the idea that relationships don’t involve theater for our partner’s benefit.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (8 children)

As a biological male and someone who identifies as a man, it's pretty weak, IMO, to need someone else to make you feel a particular way.

Are you in control of your feelings, or do you constantly need someone else to reinforce, or induce a feeling in you?

Personally, I'm in control of my feelings, and bluntly, nobody else has control over me. Neither for how I feel, or what I think/do; with the only exception to what I do being governed in part by legality. Eg. If I know a thing isn't legal to do, then I won't do that thing. Beyond the rule of law, I do, think, say, and feel, whatever, and however I want.

To me, having that much control over my own self is what makes me a person living in a free country. Anyone who does not have the ability, like I do, to think, feel, do, and love, whomever and, whatever they want, is someone who I want to support in gaining that right.

[–] blady_blah 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This seems ...um.. naive. I love my wife and her opinion of me affects my feelings. And the more I care about my wife, the more I love her, the more her opinion of me matters. Humans are social creatures and we look for positive feedback from the people we care most about. To pretend like this doesn't matter is silly.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (3 children)

A wife would know exactly what it means and how to do this.

[–] JPSound 17 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Mine puts up with my dad jokes and tell me I look handsome when Im all gross and covered in dirt after a long day working outside. That's more than enough for me.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

When I come in sore and cold from shoveling the latest buttload of snow and she tells the kids to go cuddle daddy and warm me up? Yeah that makes me feel pretty good.

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