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Man fuck the system (self.drunkthoughts)
submitted 4 weeks ago by yokonzo to c/drunkthoughts
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Fuck laws, whatever if you follow em but I honestly see them more as suggestions. The only 3 laws I think there should be are, no murder, no theft, no rape

Fuck most of the other ones, maybe I'm forgetting a few big ones but damn I wasn't born in this world to listen to some system tell me what I'm not allowed to do.

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[–] aeronmelon 3 points 4 weeks ago

This is understandable position to have even while sober. Morality and law are not the same things. Following morals (ideals that allow humanity to prosper and be happy) makes you a good person, following law (written by people in power to keep that power and control less powerful people) just makes you obedient.

I consider myself a lawful person. I hold myself to a strict adherence to written laws, even when it inconveniences me with no apparent benefit. A strictness that sometimes makes people upset with me. But in situations where I have to choose to be lawful or moral, I always do the moral thing - damn the consequences.

[–] toynbee 1 points 4 weeks ago

This is somewhat reminiscent of George Carlin on The Ten Commandments.

https://youtu.be/sk81tUUhRig

[–] kitnaht 1 points 4 weeks ago

Honestly I wish law were written with the intention behind the law as clear as day.

Like whatever weird law there is about allowing chickens to cross state lines. The law needs to be written in such a way that they say why it's being passed, what it's meant to accomplish, and what it's trying to stop.

[–] SamuraiBeandog 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Cool, I'm gonna kill your pets and smash the window of your car and take a shit in it and then set fire to your house and then jerk off on your sister and/or mom. I know you're cool with it, thanks!

[–] yokonzo 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Sure but just remember as long as I don't kill you I can now beat you almost to death :)

No laws doesn't mean no consequences

[–] SamuraiBeandog 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Of course! So I'll just bring a crew of big dudes with me, And then you'll have to get a bigger crew of big dudes. And then I'll get an even bigger crew. And soon we'll have armies fighting and who exactly is enforcing the no killing law? And eventually one of our armies will get big enough that we'll decide what the laws are and who's gonna stop us? See how that works?

[–] yokonzo -1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I feel like I'm arguing with someone who has a pretty stone solid opinion in their head that in no way can an anarchy work in practice. Which is simply not true, I mean even today there's such a thing as slab city, it's a place where there is literally no law. It's a creative commune where people exist peacefully. Who enforces it? The community at large, because if someone is a troublemaker, they're immediately dealt with by those around them.

You're bringing up all these crazy what if scenarios while totally ignoring that the people of the community around you won't deal with your shit for very long if you decide you want to test out the limits.

That's just not how things work in real life. Otherwise we literally wouldn't have functioned as a society before laws came into effect.

[–] SamuraiBeandog 2 points 3 weeks ago

I'm kind just devil's advocating the idea to point out what I think is your oversimplification of the issue.

Otherwise we literally wouldn’t have functioned as a society before laws came into effect.

Violence and the threat of it decides who gets to do what, for the entirety of human history. Sure you can have a group that isn't violent within themselves, but if another group wants what they have then violence decides the outcome. Maybe if you're living in a low population era in the deep past you can get by mostly avoiding other groups, because it's a big world and you can always move somewhere else if some bad guys show up. But once the population gets big enough that you need to compete for resources, violence will always decide the outcome.

Slab City exists because its a shithole and nobody cares that there are people living there. If it had anything at all of worth then it wouldn't be allowed to exist as an anarchy. And I assume the people there couldn't surivive without the whole apparatus of the rest of society (which functions under laws) supporting them; building their RVs and supplying food, etc.

I get the sentiment, especially under the current political landscape. But humans are violent creatures, the entirety of human history is defined by violence. If you want to continute living your very comfortable life (by the standards of human history) then you shouldn't be so quick to disparage the system that provides it.