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WhatsApp running through android-translation-layer (no container!) on Linux desktop (lemmy.kde.social)

submitted 1 month ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Since https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1gdhy7u/experimental_flathub_release_of_newpipe_on_linux/ got a bit of traction yesterday, this is WhatsApp straight from Meta running on Linux desktop using android-translation-layer.

android-translation-layer (ATL) is a Wine-like approach to run Android applications on Linux. Rather than running an Android container like for example Waydroid does this instead implements the Android API. Note that right now it's very much work in progress and almost no app will work yet, but the fact that they have apps like Newpipe and WhatsApp running already is very promising!

Join the Matrix chat at #android-translation-layer:matrix.org and follow along!

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[–] ouch 94 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I hope this makes it easier to do TLS sniffing and security research on Android apps. A lot of developers seem to rely on no one simply looking at how much information is exposed in the APIs apps use. Currently because it's much more difficult to sniff Android apps, a lot of privacy/security issues are not raised.

[–] f2sfljLhdtTZ 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can't it be reverse engineered? It's java bytecode.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

It's difficult

[–] qqq 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As long as it's installed on a device you control it's pretty easy to sniff TLS traffic from an Android application, even if they're pinning certs. I do this all the time for work. Frida makes it extremely easy, even giving you the ability to edit boringssl if something important is happening in native code. I've had to do this a couple times.

If you don't have root you'll have to recompile the application though which could matter if you need the signature to not change, but that isn't a common requirement.

It'd be nice to have a better way to test though; I've wanted to check out Waydroid. Some coworkers just use an emulator which works great if it doesn't need specific hardware.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There's PCAPdroid mitm for tls.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I can feel it in the air. This is going to take off just like how wine and proton took off. We are going to go through another "Linux gaming" rush all over again and this shit is going to be fun. Let's go!!!

[–] ouch 24 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Wine was first released in 1993. I hope our children are there to see the take off.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Didn't it take off in the late 90's within Linux communities?

So I'd give this a few years, then.

[–] apostrofail 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

in the late ’90s*

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Username checks out ig, but really now?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think you should compare the two progresses. Technology is much better now. So, things will definitely move much faster than they did back in the 90s.

[–] deltapi 6 points 1 month ago

There is slightly more openness to androids layers than the win32 layers as well.

I still remember symlinking to binaries in my windows system folder back in the late 90s to be able to run office 95 under Linux. (The MSFT system files permitted some things to work properly that just didn't with the wine provided libraries back then)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I definitely hope so, so far it's looking promising!

[–] deafboy 5 points 1 month ago

So the native gnu userspace will become the third most used desktop linux runtime :P

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Should have been called AITL (AITL Is a Translation Layer)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

ATL can be “ATL is a Translation Layer”

[–] ChilledPeppers 10 points 1 month ago

AITLNGNU AITL is a translation layer and not GNU that is not Unix

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 month ago

Fascinating stuff. I'm glad we're entering this new era of Linux application compatibility! And all through the honorable work of developers who are doing stuff just for the fun of it.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

This Android Translation Layer looks amazing for Linux phones. Waydroid is already pretty awesome, but it's just running full fat Android on top of your Linux system and has all the limitations that brings (poor to no notification integration with the host system, poor integration of filesystem, extra resource usage for all of the Android services, issues with power management and suspend, inability to change resolution on the fly, poor integration with host onscreen keyboard, etc). I've used Waydroid on postmarketOS and it's nice to be able to have Android apps available, but it almost feels like still carrying around a second phone, just that second phone is virtual. Something like ATL sounds like it properly integrates Android apps into the host OS. I need to give this a try soon.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Would anyone post a quick guide on how to run WhatsApp l using atl?

There is some documentation on https://gitlab.com/android_translation_layer/android_translation_layer/-/blob/master/README.md and I am rather sure it's the right project, but some sort of installer would be nice. I think installing all those dependencies by hand is not a good solution in the long run. Wasn't there supposed to be a flatpack container to be downloaded somewhere?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

I think installing all those dependencies by hand is not a good solution in the long run.

Well, no. "In the long run" this gets packaged by distributions so you don't have to compile anything. Right now it's available for Alpine Linux and there is an AUR package for Arch.

Wasn’t there supposed to be a flatpack container to be downloaded somewhere?

There is a Flatpak (no c in that name!) base app available, and Newpipe has been packaged with that as a Flatpak, see https://flathub.org/apps/net.newpipe.NewPipe Ideally we get more stuff packaged up once more works but I don't think it's feasible to repackage everything out there so for a lot of applications you'll just have to have a locally installed ATL outside of Flatpak.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Very cool. I'll stick with a WhatsApp Matrix bridge so I don't have to install a Meta app, though.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You still have to install WhatsApp though, since it requires activity on your account (on the app) every 14 days.

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[–] apostrofail 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

slidge-whatsapp gateway for XMPP

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Nice!

Do I need to run my own instance for this, or is it possible to do this without control over my instance?

[–] apostrofail 2 points 6 days ago

I think you need to run the service yourself

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Looks fantastic but how much are apps sandboxed? I don't want WhatsApp to see all my files for example.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm curious, doesn't WhatsApp require a phone number to be attached to an account? As in, I thought activating it doesn't work on devices without a SIM card?

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I haven't used it in a while, but I think it just sends you an SMS with a code that you can enter manually, so yeah it works on devices without a SIM

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Exactly. I created my whatsapp account in waydroid like this.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (5 children)

...but it can't run both in your phone and in your computer, right? For that you need the desktop app (which is Windows only) or the web app, which linux apps encapsulate right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

You don't need to install it on your phone, though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

I've never tried having the app on multiple devices - I specifically didn't want it on my phone - but it's worth a try. I use whatsapp web in firefox, and only start waydroid when I need to log in again. The third party linux apps just load whatsapp web in electron or something.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're right, you can't run the Android (or iOS app) twice. If you want a second device running WhatsApp you'll need the web app.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It seems like a dream come true for Linux phones.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

and i cant even get Whatsapp to run because my phones bootloader is unlocked... life is unfair

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

why not? i use an unlocked phone and run it just fine

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Life fair. It's only trying to help you not have to use whatsapp.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Interesting! The UI looks like it uses GTK for drawing widgets?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

It does!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Interesting, I could sandbox each app in a debian vm and remote control it from my phone with sunshine. Good luck trying to steal my personnal data devs

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

next we need microsoft store apps to run on Linux ig?
Edit: because some apps completely block wine or is distributed only from the Microsoft store

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The people from Heroic are already working on this.

Source: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/10/ubuntu-summit-2024-highlights-linux-gaming-talks-on-umu-and-heroic-launcher/

The talk gives a brief overview on what they've been working on like UWP/WinRT in Wine, Comet for GOG multiplayer features and more. But Lidwin also does a quick little sneak peek intro on a new project called Maxima Launcher, an open source replacement for EA Desktop / Origin that will eventually get Heroic integration too.

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