this post was submitted on 12 Sep 2024
93 points (85.0% liked)

politics

19148 readers
4119 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Paywall removed: https://archive.is/1vgFr

top 23 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] axemurber 80 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Old trick, don't fall for it. Go out and vote, never assume victory on your side or trust people from the other side telling you you won.

They want people to not vote because it is: "in the bag"

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (3 children)

If they say Trump's winning, it's a trick to make Democrats think it's lost and stay home. If they say Trump's losing, it's a trick to make Democrats think they've won and stay home.

Maybe sometimes people just want to share opinions about what's going on. We should vote regardless, but not everything is a trick.

[–] axemurber 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Honestly you might be right, but at this point I am not sure if what I feel is news induced paranoia or realistic worry. Regardless, go vote indeed.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

The data shows this race is 50-50. Don't listen to opinions or even single poll results.

https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model

We need to do more than just vote, we need to volunteer, donate, and encourage friends and family to go vote for Harris

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

We're talking about American politics, every avenue of which is spun by media looking for eyeballs, capitalists looking for dollars, leaders looking for allies, and egoists looking for power. Sure there are individuals that just want to share their opinion, but there is also no shortage of people who are trying to trick some portion of the electorate.

[–] fluxion 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If we were talking Fox News then that heuristic is probably pretty close to reality

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It ain't over until the election is over. Let's not get complacent

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes! Vote! Vote early! Vote Often (j/k)!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Actually Vote Often is correct. Every election your City, County, State & Federal have, you Vote. That way you never get removed from the voter rolls legally.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Man it would be great if that was more on the radar, to vote at all these other levels

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This race is exactly tied 50-50

https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model

You need to do everything you can to help Harris win! Donate and volunteer! Go do a web search how to do it right now! I mean RIGHT now! Go!

[–] Atrichum 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nate Silver is a hack, but agree with everything else you said.

[–] TwentySeven 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why do you say that? The consensus seems to be that he is one of the best at what he does.

[–] Atrichum 0 points 2 months ago

One reason is that he has demonstrated over the past 8 years that he's not really better at forecasting than others. But the main reason I say that is he's shown his ass on social media time and time again. I don't have specifics so can't really defend my accusation.

[–] grue 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The polls are literally irrelevant -- and I don't mean just in the usual way that they can have bias or vary compared to what the actual vote ends up being.

What I mean is that the polls are irrelevant because Trump isn't even trying to win votes in the first place, but instead has every intention of massively cheating and stealing the presidency.

So yeah: first of all, it's imperative to disregard the polls and vote anyway because we can't just squeak by, but instead need massive landslide victories in states like GA and AZ to overwhelm all the fraud (throwing out valid votes and refusing to certify) the MAGA election officials will be perpetrating. And then second, we have to go beyond just voting and be prepared to hold massive protests to make it clear to both election officials and judges handling Trump's inevitable flood of election-denier lawsuits that professional misconduct will not be tolerated.

[–] Etterra 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Trust nothing that comes from a poll. Go vote. It ain't over till it's over.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Polls can be a good indicator, since not everyone will vote. But yes, go vote. If you vote for Harris, get out there on Tuesday, 5 November and show your support! If you vote for Trump, get out there on Wednesday, 6 November and show your support! (Don't get your days mixed up! The liberal media doesn't want you to remember that your Trump vote only counts if it's on Wednesday!)

[–] Snapz 13 points 2 months ago

Nothing over until January 7th.

Register to vote. Vote. Use your time and energy to get others to do the same. Hold the line until the election is certified.

[–] TipRing 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nobody should believe Frank Luntz about anything.

[–] Letsdothis 3 points 2 months ago

Especially now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Fake News!

-Republicans who do their Own Research!

[–] xenomor 1 points 2 months ago

“Ethically and follicly challenged” Frank Luntz