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Disneyland workers say they live in cars, motels due to low pay (www.bbc.com)

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[–] brygphilomena 83 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As a former cast member, the pay is atrocious. The "perks" have been slowly removed over the last two decades (I worked there from 2008 - 2016.) I've know plenty of cast members that lived six or eight people to a two bedroom apartment.

They've lost a ton of employees and standards have dropped significantly.

I've got stock in the company too, and I hope they strike and get everything they deserve.

Fuck Iger, he's been screwing over the cast members for years.

[+] whostosay -127 points 4 months ago (5 children)

You own stock but you're rooting for the impoverished? Get absolutely fucked. Instead of that. How about you help you your fellow man instead of enriching yourself? Sounds real fucking good next to "hoping" my stocks pay off.

[–] brygphilomena 65 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm saying this would probably go against my stocks (that I got as part of the 401k from working next to these people) and I STILL want them to win. Even if my stocks go down.

[+] whostosay -81 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Make sure you send thoughts and prayers too.

[–] brygphilomena 48 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Well, I spent several hours talking to them the other day, wishing them well and wishing my support to them. If I was still in the state, I would be out there side by side with my literal fucking friends. I'll also support the newly formed entertainment union that JUST voted to unionize. I'll speak on their behalf and tell people how the company treats them unfairly and fucks them over every single day.

What the fuck do you want me to do? Not have taken advantage of my employer while I was working there and taken the employer match? It's in a 401k, it's not like I can just get rid of it all for another 30 years and it's not like I have much.

Stop being a fucking dick.

[–] whostosay 34 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You know what man, I really don't know what I want you to do, and I'm sorry for coming at you like that. I and we have been taking so many godamn L's I lashed out. I hope you and y'all and we find a way. I don't have a means to help and I also don't have anything close to retirement so I assumed you might. I hope it gets better.

[–] brygphilomena 24 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Don't think twice about it, I hope you start to get some Ws soon. We all deserve some grace. I truly hope things get better for you and you can bounce back. I really appreciate the reply and the private message apologizing.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This turned out very wholesomely. I hope y'all are both doing alright.

[–] whostosay 7 points 4 months ago

I hope we all do, the thought of this whole clown show is downright scary.

[–] whostosay 6 points 4 months ago

Thanks bud. You as well

[–] Benjaben 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Random stranger commenting to say I appreciate how this played out and kudos to you both. This comment chain is a striking example of the exact problem we've inherited as a society, and its solution!

Those of us (nearly everyone) abused by the extremely rich have this tendency to lash out at anyone within reach that just miiiight be wealthy enough to be part of the problem. The reality is that you - and literally almost all of us - will never rub elbows, pass in a hallway, even glimpse - the (extremely rich) people actually causing our problems.

That's the whole fuckin thing, how the misdirection of rage that fuels the whole shebang, is created. You (we) can never even really SEE the people who are doing this to us. We're all furious, and the villains have been invisible for so long that we've gone dumb - attacking one another, fellow sufferers - has become damn near instinctual.

The solution (or part of it) is right here in y'all's comment chain too - just a sudden realization that the person doing a little bit better than you (us) has nothing to do with your difficulties. It's almost always the fault of the invisible, antihuman greed monsters.

[–] whostosay 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You're definitely right, but my comment was a very reactionary and drunk/hostile comment. I just hope we all make it through, really.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

literal fucking friends

The best kind of friends. Though I've usually just heard them called "friends with benefits"

[–] bibliotectress 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That was unnecessarily mean. Are you mad at him because he has stock in the company?

[+] whostosay -12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You know what, you're likely right. But also I've been broke sense forever and never had a chance to think about a 401k, which historically has benefits the 1% significantly more than any contributing person. I guess my point is, don't appear to sympathize if you're not directly experiencing it or taking action.

[–] bibliotectress 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I know what you mean. I've been working in public school libraries for almost 10 years now and get paid basically nothing, and since I'm not a teacher, my retirement accrues so slowly that it's basically nonexistent. I'll probably have to work until I die. I should've switched careers a long time ago. One more year and I'm out. I decided to wait until my daughter graduates high school, and then I'll make big life changes.

Just for some perspective, some companies give stock options to employees in lieu of better pay, so the guy you were frustrated with might also be broke.

I hope things look up for you! For all of us!

[–] whostosay 2 points 4 months ago

I revised my comment to him, and I'll do it for you. I hope we make it through. My original dream was to make the internet a safer place for us all, given it is the amalgamation of all knowledge known so far. I've been let down it's made me sour to people. I hope it gets better, and I hope life lets you continue working in the library because we need it.

[–] whoreticulture 1 points 4 months ago

I don't think employees on the edge of brokeness are getting stock options, that's more a thing to get with a 100k paycheck vs a 150k paycheck.

[–] whoreticulture 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Okay I get this. The dude with stock could sell the stock, which would be a useful protest, or financially support the worker's rights movement.

[–] whostosay 2 points 4 months ago

Thats pretty much what I was getting at, but I came at it like a cynical douche.

[–] OrganicMustard 37 points 4 months ago

They're a (former) worker that owns a part of that company. That's how it should be. Workers owning their company.

[–] whoreticulture 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

edit: nah he has a point

[–] abysmalpoptart 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Some companies give stock as a primary benefit. Some of those companies may provide stock in lieu of some or all of a salary. That doesn't mean it's necessary valuable - they typically give you some amount of stock equal to a part of your salary (or some other normal monetary amount), and you would be hopeful the value increases substantially over time.

Just the fact that the other person has stock from their time being employed by Disney is no indicator of their wealth. You can own partial stock as well. It could be worth $50. We don't know.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Half of all homeless people are employed https://invisiblepeople.tv/working-homeless-more-than-half-of-unhoused-people-have-jobs/

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Can't even stay at the actual Hotel Disney. 😔

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

"It's a small place to live after all"

[–] BigTrout75 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well that's just goofy

[–] jeffw 2 points 4 months ago

slow clap