*please note i deeply value and respect the vegan movement. i am just critical of how humorously it precipitates in online spaces, particularly this one. :)

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 4 months ago (4 children)

it is especially frustrating coming from a person who would die if they just stopped eating meat (eating disorder), I have mentioned this online and gotten responses from these people saying that they think it would be better for me to starve to death than to eat meat. it makes me depressed to know that some people want me dead

I am glad that people are able to go vegan but some of you go into a moralistic argument and act like everyone who eats meat is glad about it and gets off on torturing animals

[–] [email protected] 53 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

I'm a vegan, and fuck those people.

I've got a medical condition that meant I had to take it fairly slowly just it be sure my body wasn't going to literally fall apart when I went vegan, luckily I'm doing well (in a few ways I'm actually much better off now, though I'm still scared of falling apart). Medical conditions are valid as hell for not going vegan, I wasn't aware of how an eating disorder could prevent it but I've read a fair bit online now, so thankyou for sharing.

One of the scariest moments of my life was when my friends and I were publically assaulted by a pair of very large vegan men who didn't like that we weren't vegan. I was vego at the time but sure as hell wasn't going to tell them, people who act like that are an absolute disgrace and make me ashamed to be vegan. Veganism to me comes from a deep sense of empathy, if you can't feel empathy for other people then you're not a vegan as far as I'm concerned.

[–] Omega_Man 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm just imaging gangs of large vegan men attacking delis. Where the hell do you live? Lol

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

obviously this doesn't work for everyone, but this is why i'm such a big proponent of meat alternatives

having stuff like pea protein nuggets fortified with vitamin B12 and whatever else is an actually practical way to reduce meat consumption, if we make it possible to replace meat and barely notice that you've done so then everyone but the meat industry wins, which is even more of a win for the rest of us.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

stay alive and fed bestie 😌✨

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[–] amotio 55 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I get vegancirclejerk posts in my feed and in most cases I am not sure if these posts are serious or just making fun of vegans. Most of the time it looks like troll posts. It's more like a meat-hate cult.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Its a circlejerk, the whole idea is to troll

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I personally love cheesebreather, bloodmouth, and milk-drinker.

Bonus points to milk-drinker because that’s not even a term made by vegans to call people coward babies. Play Skyrim and you’ll hear it all over the place!

Carnist doesn’t count because it’s not technically an insult. It’s just a name for someone that practices carnism. Carnism IS terrible, but the purpose of the word is no different than Christian to Christianity.

It’s hilarious that carnists get so butthurt about being called what they are though so I enjoy that part.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I personally love cheesebreather, bloodmouth, and milk-drinker.

see i just couldn’t keep a straight face if you tried to say those while making eye contact 😭😭

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Carnist seems to imply that they eat ONLY meat though. They're not carnivores, they're omnivores. It's on the same level as using the terms pro-abortion and pro-life to describe the two sides of that debate. This kind of name calling of an out group is not too far removed from all the wacky names flat-earthers give to all the rest of us just living here on the globe not being wack-a-doos.

Using the term butthurt is some straight up 90s era homophobia too. Nice.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

genuinely curious, how is 'butthurt' 90s homophobia?

[–] CodexArcanum 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It isn't. It's in reference to "having a stick up your ass", which means being uptight and overly serious. Because they are stiff, as though a firm rod had been run the length of their body.

People also mistakenly believe that to be a homophobic phrase too. Mind you, there's a slim distinction here. Telling someone to "shove it up your ass" could be considered homophobic, though I think of it as just rude. I feel like context would matter a lot here.

The youth today think everything insulting must be a slur of some kind and are obcesse with moral purity.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

That could be carnivore, carnist means they follow carnism, which is the ethical framework that justifies human subjugation and exploitation of non-human animals

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnism

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[–] Viking_Hippie 47 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Me every time a militant vegan says "carnist":

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've never interpreted that as an attempt at an insult, what word do you think is more fitting?

[–] Viking_Hippie 27 points 4 months ago (14 children)

Omnivore, maybe? 🤷

But yeah, pretending that eating meat is an ism IS an insult when coming from an evangelical vegan who considers it morally reprehensible lol

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"carnist" has a different meaning than omnivore. It’s used for people who actively defend what they think is their right to consume flesh.

[–] Viking_Hippie 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Just like how evangelical vegans actively assert what they think is their right to control the diets and other lifestyle choices of adult humans who haven't asked them to? 🙄

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (13 children)

basically the same way we assert the right to tell people to stop using ai, to stop being racist, sexist, transphobic, using planes or heavy cars, giving money to fascists…

chosing to view animals as resources is not about diet, it’s about power over sentient beings and hierarchy of lives based on species.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's quite telling that you're ready to say "control" to describe people arguing that you shouldn't use animals as resources, but not to describe what happens to animals. Or if you would use it to describe what happens to animals, that you think nothing untoward of it. You know what I mean? Either controlling is, as you imply, inadmissable and you therefore become vegan because you mustn't control animals, or controlling is sometimes admissable and you purport carnism.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Also since when is open exchange of ideas and concerns equated with control?

Am I trying to control you if I suggest that you not leave your tap running in California because fresh water is a precious resource in drought-plagued land?

Am I trying to control you if I suggest that you reduce your plastic consumption because we have a major microplastic crisis so severe that human babies are being born with plastic already in their body?

Am I trying to control you if I point out that the modern meat industry is ecologically unsustainable, so you're going to have to switch to being vegetarian sooner or later since the meat production will literally collapse itself, so you may as well start now before it's a global crisis?

If I suggest that you not hit yourself in the head with a hammer, is that me trying to control you, or is that just an act of very basic concern for your well being? And if hitting yourself in the head with a hammer becomes trendy, am I trying to control everyone if I suggest that we shouldn't be doing that because brain injuries will make us dumber as a society?

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[–] Fleur__ 35 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It's true and cringe, you should still go vegan though

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago (1 children)

first time i heard someone using the term carnists it was being used as an insult and i was so confused because "wait why are vegans mad at carnivals now?"

[–] vanderbilt 21 points 4 months ago

I once had a fling with a vegan girl who referred to me as a “carnie”, intending it to be a jab at me. Having worked in a carnival for several years I found it hilarious she tried to make it an insult.

[–] veganpizza69 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (16 children)

Some things are so horrible and evil that it's difficult to ridicule them, it requires a lot of creativity.

Carnism isn't one, carnism is an academic term, and carnist just means "a proponent of carnism" (it may be in some dictionaries already).

https://www.carnismdebunked.com/

Deal with it, meatflakes.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago

bro said meatflakes 🤣 say it again

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I guess I don't see the posts you're referencing.

Also, I think you meant participates, not precipitates.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

no i mean precipitates, it’s one of my favorite words

e: a synonym would be “manifests” or “incarnates”

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Wow, I had no idea my known definition of precipitate was so low down the list of its meanings. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

and thank you for letting me flex my favorite word :)

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's... so counterproductive. It's like zero waste, we don't need a few people doing it perfectly, we need millions doing it imperfectly. By being such dicks and so combative about it, they actively are stopping people from having anything to do with them and reducing their animal product consumption. I've recieved various responses to this, from "If someone being mean to you stops you from not continuing to torture animals then you're a really shitty person" (and like yeah you don't have to convince me, I'm already suicidal, but contrarianism and not liking groups that are dicks to you is human nature) to "I don't care, you're evil and deserve to feel bad" it really seems to me like those people ironically just like hurting others and don't really actually care about improving lives for animals. Give up animal products? Sure! Give up shitting on people? NEVER! Certainly not all vegans are this way but the vitriolic ones online certainly are and give the rest such a bad name.